The Norinco Club.

[Balazona]

Hi guys,
Share ur Norinco pistol's pictures and ur experience with them here.
i am a Norinco firearms die hard fan myself.as u all know i have 2 Norinco made pistols with me now.CF-98 9mm and NZ-85B 9mm pistol.i like both of them.they r very robustly made and very reliable.i have had a Norinco TT-33 which i sold.that was a Ak-47 of Norinco pistols.

[Firepower!]

I will join the club. I have NORINCO's TT. It is silver in color and has never failed me. The only down side it that it is fairly old in design and no decocker or safety. That said, if it carried over 10 rounds it would be a top contender for my CCW.

[Balazona]

Firepower,Welcome to the club.

[Saeen]

I wouldnt categorize my self as die hard fan, but i have only one piece and that is Norinco CF-98 9mm. Quite reliable so far, yet to take it to the the range for extensive testing !!

[Firepower!]

On all most all of the Chinese TT's I see over the net have safety feature. However, I have not seen them in Pakistan. Whats up with that? Are they in fact being manufactured in Karachi as many have suggested to me? This explains why some folks even sell brand new ones for 16/17K as well. Here is a net picture:

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo128/Firepower1/tokarev54-1003.jpg

[Firepower!]

To me it is more like one to have in collection since it is part of history and perhaps most popular gun in Pakistan. Its the only Chinese handgun I will ever buy.

[Balazona]

Firepower,the model u mentioned here it is called type 54-1.it has a so called saftey which is not good to carry one in the chamber.type 54-1 made for american market for their strict saftey laws.but at last Norinco was banned in USA in Clinton government.

[Firepower!]

I see. Glad thats cleared since I was going to look for one with a lock since I carry with one in pipe.

[Ahmad]

Count me in i have t213 9mm basically a varient of tt. It has a lousy safety which works in revere order of colt. Very rugged and reliable

[Balazona]

Ahmad,u r right Norinco TT's so called safter works in opposite direction.

[Firepower!]

opposite or not, I want one to replace the one I have.

[Balazona]

but that pathetic saftey of type 54-1 is not good enough while round in the pipe.it doesnt have good reputations on diferent forums.

[Ahmad]

It only blocks trigger not good for carrying one in pipe
regards

[Firepower!]

hmmm...well it wont be my carry any way.

[Omkhan]

I am in with a Norinco CF98

[Acciprone]

Like i said in some of the other threads my first weapon was the cf98 .. loved the balance and the feel of the weapon .. gave it to my brother.I think in all the time i had fired more than 500 Rds no fte, ftf nothing .... I will be in the market for a np34 once the licences come into play again.

[Balazona]

Acciprone,what is price of NP34 pistol in Karachi?BTW nice choice for CCW.

[Osam]

I had the norinco tt 30 caliber. I miss the power of the caliber and also the reliability of the gun so thinking of buying one again

[Balazona]

Osam,u did the same mistake which i did.but nowadays they r very costly.

[Osam]

Yes i know that they are short in supply but once the stock arrives we will get them at the rates we sold them so lets hope for the best.

[Acciprone]

last i checked the 34 was for 48K.. but i think ill try to get it down a bit. and well that is one of the reason , ccw for me to get it .. 2nd man i just like the way it looks .. did fire the np22 which is a lot similar to it.. i love the feel of it..

[Balazona]

Actually i didnt see it in Lahore market.here is NP-22 availble at 40K.but i will still prefer NP-42/CF-98 for CCW.its grip is slimer than NP-22/34 and weight is just 760g with an empty mag.

[Acciprone]

i used to carry the cf for ccw.. even carried the pt99 as ccw.go figure ... :)

[Balazona]

Couldnt get CCQ.

[Monis]

I hav CF 98 its relible pistols

[Saeen]

yeah CCQ and CCW, nice terminology there folks!! Explain plz ;)

[Balazona]

CCW=concealed carry weapon,CCQ introduced by Acciprone but i dont know this.

[Mohammad]

I also join the club......I have norinco TT

[Saeen]

hop in Muhammad :)

[Intrepid]

I join the club with NP42. Well havnt tried it alot yet but the way it is serving around was good enough for me to get it.

[Acciprone]

CCW=concealed carry weapon,CCQ introduced by Acciprone but i dont know this.


CCW= conceal carry weapon , CCQ= TYPO :)

[Osam]

I was at the range today and saw a guy shooting his tt .30 chinese. It was in silver colour and with external saftey for locked and loaded purpose. He bought it for 29k(didnt ask the dealers info) and the model was 766.

[Balazona]

That model with an external saftey is called Type 54-1.but that saftey is not reliable for cocked and locked purpose.

[Osam]

I dont know about the type 54-1 but it was external safety as in like a makarov if youve seen one. The hammer was another safety option. Ive never seen such a model in a tt hence the one i bought was a 636 and this one was a 766.

[Balazona]

Osam,those models Type 54-1 were for US export.they r very rare in Pakistan.

[Osam]

Yes you are right i searched the net for type 54-1 and they are the same but i saw one that means they are available under the model 766.

[Balazona]

That is factory code 766 etc.model name is Type 54 or type 54-1.i hope this will help u to understand.

[Ali Akbar]

i join the club bcs i have one norince .30 tt

[Balazona]

Ali Akbar,u r Welcome to the Norinco Club.

[BaderJanjua]

I have both CF98 and NP34. They are good and can handle any type of ammo including MP5 rds with more grain. However I found NP34 more accurate despite its smaller size (colone of Sig P229) . Only aspect worth mentioning of NP34 is that it carries 13+1 while CF 98 can take 15+1. NP 34 is made by Norinco for export only while CF98 is currently used by Peoples Liberation Army and Hong Kong Police

[Saeen]

welcome to the club sir :)

[Balazona]

Bader sahib,u r very Welcome to the Club.
i love to shoot that NP-34 bcoz i have read lot of good reviews of this little pistol.

[Abbas]

Salams, I would like to join the Norinco club with my new purchase of NZ85 !

[Omkhan]

Congrats abbas. welcome to the club.

[Saeen]

Welcome to the club Abbas Sb. :)

[Balazona]

So, u already joined it.Welcome to club.

[Intrepid]

Welcome to club sir. Hope Norinco family gets bigger n bigger :cool:

[Taurus]

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[Connector]

once again nice pics

[Ka_Khan]

Are these fiber grips with different colors availabe in Pakistan?

[Taurus]

i dont think so..i have not seen them yet

[Mobilinker]

THe Grips of NP22,Np-34 are alloy frame (Aluminium). I've seen a Norinco Np-34, Colour seemd to be rapidly changed from metallic black to blish green, specially over trigger-gaurd and main frame. The person bought both at the same time 6-months back and complaining to the dealer for color change of NP-34. However NP-22 looked same as brand new, both equally used (cariied and fired).

[Balazona]

Thats very strange.

[Balazona]

Osam,Welcome to Norinco club.

[Osam]

Yes sir im in with a cf98 so far the reliability has been proven just some accuracy tests left.

[Monis]

Welcome to norinco club i m sure u will find 100% accuracy with cf 98

[Irttyza]

i join the club with my norinco tt-33 which has been in my family's possesion for more than 15 years and i havent fired it once.

[Balazona]

wow,this is amazing news for me that u didnt fired it in last 15 years.

[Saeen]

nice going Irttyza :)

[Irttyza]

just dont like it that much. :|

[Osam]

You havent fired it once thats why i guess. I loved to fire my chinese tt atleast. The sound was a blast and heavy recoil seriously i could feel the power of the round.

[Balazona]

That is an Over Statement.lol
Just kidding.someone actually said this here.

[Osam]

No someone said this on the statement that tt is an ak of handguns lol. That might be an overstatement for some including me but no one can deny the power of the .30 round.

[Taurus]

ur right .30 cal is an ak of handguns

[Balazona]

Taurus 24/7,u r giving an Over statement again.lol
cheers.

[Mastermind]

i want to be a member of this club and want to buy the 1911 norinco kindly any one tell me the price of that gun

[Balazona]

Norinco single stack 1911 pistol is not available in Lahore market.i saw its double stack model at Orient traders few months ago.i think this model price is around 60K.

[Mastermind]

thanks Balazona

[Irttyza]

@balazona is the norinco double stack version in 9mm or .45?

[Ka_Khan]

someone said this on the statement that tt is an ak of handguns lol.

The Tokarev pistol is truly the 'jeep' of handguns: extremely rugged, reliable under adverse conditions, inexpensive, and powerful (especially in its original 7.62x25mm calibre), our forged steel Norinco T33 series handguns are also priced low enough to fit almost every shooter's budget. From WWII and Cold War history buffs to collectors, re-enactors, and casual target shooters, there's room for one or more of these practical, attractively-priced pistols in nearly everyone's collection!

Source:http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/index-hg-t33.shtm

[Ka_Khan]

Now Jeep or Ak....choice is yours...

[HassaanAfzal]

i m joining with my norinco .30 pistol

[Taurus]

i have fired it twice and ak47 is not only having heavy sounds there are also different like m4 m16 to are heavier

[Firepower!]

does anyone have NORINCO ak?

[Irttyza]

i do

[Balazona]

Irrtyza,That Norinco 1911 double stack pistol was .45ACP.

[Sohail Waheed]

I am in with .30 tt and HP77B

[Irttyza]

@balazona thanks..any idea on price?

[Balazona]

Orient traders had it for 60K.i am not sure its current price.i will figure out on my next visit to market.

[Irttyza]

thank you balazona.appericiate it

[Balazona]

U r always Welcome.

[Balazona]

Here is my NZ-85B with new wooden grips.these grips r also chinese made. ;)
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/balazona/Image001.jpg

[Monis]

Very nice piece

[SAJJAD ALI]

very nice pics by taurus.beautyfull pistol i thought that np 22 would be my next pistol :)

[ARlover]

in next two three days im join norinco club with .CF-98 9mm :cool:

[Enigmatic Desires]

Does the CF 98 have a rotating barrel?

[Balazona]

Yes,CF-98 pistol has rotating barrel locking system same as Stoeger couger.

[Firepower!]

Balazona is this CZ 85 clone?

[Balazona]

Firepower,yes it is sort of CZ-85B clone.it has ambi saftey but dont have ambi slide stop lever.CZ-85B has ambi slide stop lever.

[taimikhan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15qsJgnm0sw

[Saeen]

Thanks for sharing Khan Sb. So whats your feedback on this piece ?

[HassaanAfzal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15qsJgnm0sw

How far was the target and wht was the result?

[Ka_Khan]

Nice shooting taimi khan.Seems its kind of a private shooting range?

[taimikhan]

AoA, well it was easy to handle, grip was comfortable. the firing range was of a para-military organization. the range was around approx 75 meters but definitely more then 50 meters. next time will find out the exact figure. :) . Fired around 70 rounds in less then 20 mins. Worked perfectly, no held-ups. And its fire was pretty powerful, and accurate. The target was pretty small at more then 50 meters, but nearly all the shots were pretty accurate. Some landed at the target while some pretty close. In my opinion, its a good weapon to have. A good choice in this price range, specially for personal defence.

[taimikhan]

I think the new CF98 are nearly equal to NP-42, just a 2000 rounds barrel life difference. The mechanism is same. CF98 is being made by Chang Feng Machinery Tools Co Ltd, a sub-company of Norinco. The change in designation and manufacturing company was due to the ban on Norinco items by USA & Canada. So it was re-introduced as CF98. This chang Feng company is also manufacturing other sub-machine guns.

[Ilyas]

Firepower,the model u mentioned here it is called type 54-1.it has a so called saftey which is not good to carry one in the chamber.type 54-1 made for american market for their strict saftey laws.but at last Norinco was banned in USA in Clinton government.

Well I'm not sure about the Model 54-1, but mine says "Cal. .30 Mauser Made in China By Norinco" and
it has a safety. It was purchased almost twenty years ago.



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[HassaanAfzal]

Well i had never seen any with the saftey botton it looks kool

[Ilyas]

Thanks Bro... at least 20yrs old and just a single shot fired :)

[HassaanAfzal]

Thanks Bro... at least 20yrs old and just a single shot fired :)

Now thats make it more valuable :)

[Saeen]

it sure does :)

[Ilyas]

Thanks Saeen :) By the way, where have you been lately... not many posts.
Hope all is fine, wish you all the best!
Regards

[SAJJAD ALI]

in my thought cf98 magzine machanisim is not good.because my two magzines have always problems when load my gun.because bullet cant go easly into the barrel.

[Monis]

May be there is some problum in ur cf 98 because i hav no problum FTF

[Bhatti]

sajjad i agree with u a friend of mine is facing the same problem.

[Mitho]

@sajjad
how do u load ur pistol?do u rack the slide or do u use the slide catch mechanisim.?i had the same problem i went to a gun simth he told me that i was not racking the slide properly and told me to just to pull the slide back and engange slide catch lever than insert the magzine and remove the catch lever.after that i did not have any problem with ftf.secondly does your bullet get scratched when u chamber it?maybe the edges of ur magzine are to sharp just use a sandpaper and rub those edges smooth.

[Saeen]

Sorry for the very very late reply Ilyas, and thanks for the kind words. I am mostly around, but more like a silent observer :)


Thanks Saeen :) By the way, where have you been lately... not many posts.
Hope all is fine, wish you all the best!
Regards

[Saeen]

Never had any FTF problems, but mitho has shared some very important pointers.

[Monis]

Mitho is vey right

[SAJJAD ALI]

mitho u r right but but loading system is not frequent.it takes some extra efforts to load it.

[Monis]

Use best quality ammo

[SAJJAD ALI]

yaar i always use chines and fedrel ammo.

[Mitho]

use norinco ammo for norinco firearms.orignal norinco ammo not chinese ammo.

[Fund manager]

Hi friends,

Yesterday I went to the range and fired my Taurus PT-111 for the first time. I fired 30 rounds with no jams and only 1 misfire, may be because of the defective round (9mm chinese).

The gun shoots well, however I am not comfortable with the recoil. I believe that this recoil problem is due to the small barrel size (3.25 inches).

I need your recommendations regarding recoil of Norince guns in 9mm. I am considering buying one more gun for SD, range shooting and CCW and I want a reliable and pleasent to shoot weapon.

Thanks.

[Monis]

norinco cf98 is best choice low budjet

[Monis]

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4755/31161926.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

[Fund manager]

norinco cf98 is best choice low budjet

Thanks, what's the price?

[Monis]

Many brand available in market of cf 98 i saw a tiykon brand in 37 k
but orignal norinco will cost u 40 to 42k

[Fund manager]

Thanks again. What about recoil and jamming issues? Is it pleasent to shoot?

Further can you please advice where will I get the original CF 98.

[Monis]

Use chines ammo no jam no missfire and less recoil im sure u will enjoy.

tell me ur location

[Saeen]

Thanks again. What about recoil and jamming issues? Is it pleasent to shoot?

Further can you please advice where will I get the original CF 98.

Never had any FTF or FTL issue. Although havent shot many from it yet :)

If you are in Lahore PARA is the place to go

[HassaanAfzal]

Cf 98 is surely a good choice in low budget

[Fund manager]

Use chines ammo no jam no missfire and less recoil im sure u will enjoy.

tell me ur location


Karachi.

[Aamar]

@sajjad
how do u load ur pistol?do u rack the slide or do u use the slide catch mechanisim.?i had the same problem i went to a gun simth he told me that i was not racking the slide properly and told me to just to pull the slide back and engange slide catch lever than insert the magzine and remove the catch lever.after that i did not have any problem with ftf.secondly does your bullet get scratched when u chamber it?maybe the edges of ur magzine are to sharp just use a sandpaper and rub those edges smooth.

Great advice

[taimikhan]

AOA Guys,

Well check out the below link which might help you in making your decision about CF98.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15qsJgnm0sw

As far as NP-42 is concerned it would be very difficult to find nowadays as CF98 is more in the market due to the transfer of manufacturing to Chang Feng Machinery Tools from where it gets its designation as CF. By the way Chang Feng is working under NORINCO.

As for my experience, i fired 50 rounds in about 20 mins from my CF98, without any jam or misfire, fired at a range of more then 50 meters, having pretty accurate results. Recoil is minimum as you can see in the video, but if you loosen your grip then it will definitely give a big recoil, which you guys can also see in the video as i did loosen my grip a few times.

Its a robust weapon which can fire any type of bullet be it chinese, russian 9mm luger, POF or american. It can fire even DAP rounds.

Guys do keep in mind that CF98 or NP42 has become the standard weapon of the Chinese Army, Police, Hong Kong Police and also as Type-92 of Bangladesh Army, which would mean that this is a pretty good & reliable weapon good as Chinese don't induct average weapons. The chinese TT is a good example in front of you, which has been in service for decades now and is like by nearly everyone as its a strong and reliable weapon. And today's CF98 are 8000 round barrel life which is more then enough for ppl who wish to keep it as a SD weapon.

CF98 in Peshawar is for 35K nowadays. The one i bought has CF98-9mm written on it with a Shaheen Logo.

I had pasted the image on some of the CF98 related forums.

Would like to have your guys feed back also.

Thx

[Shariq]

Cf-98 in any marking is fine. Not suitable for CCW though.

[Shariq]

Should be 35k at Ammar and Co Saddar. Price is likely to fall further in few days. Osam your views plz.

[Fund manager]

Should be 35k at Ammar and Co Saddar. Price is likely to fall further in few days. Osam your views plz.


Hi,

Yesterday I went to Saddar had a look at Cf 98. The gun seems strong and well balanced. I have decided to buy it. The vendor has quoted me Rs. 36K final. If you think that the prices will fall, should I wait. BTW how much do you think the prices will reduce?

If the supply increases, then I believe, there is a possibility of decrease in prices of other models also.

Under this scenario, what other model will serve my purpose best?. My budget is under 40K.

Thanks.

[Memon]

Fund Manager@ Why not you should check NP-34 (Norinco) ................... it will cost you 37K from Ammar (with Pak Gun reference)

@ Shariq Bhai ........... what you say ?

Regards,

[Monis]

36k is best price for cf98

[taimikhan]

AoA Guys,

I need a favor from anyone of you living in khr & lhr, can anyone get me the price of extra magazine for CF98. I would be very grateful.


Thx

[Fund manager]

Fund Manager@ Why not you should check NP-34 (Norinco) ................... it will cost you 37K from Ammar (with Pak Gun reference)

@ Shariq Bhai ........... what you say ?

Regards,

Which is better, NP34 or CF98?

I have checked on Norinco site. CF98 has longer barrel, hence maybe less recoil. However, only those who have used both firearms can tell the difference.

Also, please advice which weapon among the two is pleasent to shoot and easier to maintain.

[Fund manager]

AoA Guys,

I need a favor from anyone of you living in khr & lhr, can anyone get me the price of extra magazine for CF98. I would be very grateful.


Thx

Al-Harris Karachi quoted me Rs5K for the original. Check with others, Harris's quotes are higher normally.

[Taurus]

its around 4k from tayabbally u should get it not more than 4k maybe as u'll search u would get it maybe for 3500

[Shariq]

Which is better, NP34 or CF98?

Also, please advice which weapon among the two is pleasant to shoot and easier to maintain.

CF-98 wins hands down in your case. NP-34 is louder and and has more kick. Compared to other Np-34 is more difficult to shoot accurately. Osam can get u in 34k or max 35k from Ammar and Co.

[Monis]

+1 Sqnldr_shariq

[taimikhan]

AoA,

Thx Fund Manager & Monis. Well i guess Psh is better, here its for 3K and may get more cheaper in coming days as new stock coming in the market.

Thx once again

[Fund manager]

Thanks Monis & Shariq,

As per your info, new supply of chinese weapons is hitting the market soon. If this be the case, then should I wait for sometime to get a good bargain or should acquire one b/w 35 to 36K?

[Shariq]

I recommend to get it at 35k. Shipment may get late also.

[Fund manager]

Thanks for the advice.


Chio

[Usama]

I Have heard from someone tht norincos prices will come down soon..??Is it true..??and a new model will me launched..

[Rizshu]

Norinco single stack 1911 pistol is not available in Lahore market.i saw its double stack model at Orient traders few months ago.i think this model price is around 60K.


hye Balazona

could you please tell me that what is single stack and double stack? what is this stack?

cheers

[MIdreesTaj]

hye Balazona

could you please tell me that what is single stack and double stack? what is this stack?

cheers


Dear a single stack mag is the one which has a single column of bullets, stacked on one another in a single column, thus a mag will only contain number of bullets which can be accomodated as per the length of a magazine..
double stack mag is the one where there are dual rows of bullets, bullets are set over each other in a zigzag manner thus taking benefit of a total width + total length of the mag. This leads to higher capacity.

[ARlover]

i join club with my new cf98
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