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Tipu Sultan
21-11-2009, 04:01 PM
There is a lot of confusion regarding bolt action rifles to be classified as Npb or Pb. Some say all bolt actions are npb. Others say that they are npb in sindh only. A few also say that its a case to case thing, or varies from dealer to dealer. A few members in punjab also say that it is possible to get it on npb in punjab as well. Somebody also mentioned of a notice at tayabally arms website mentioning bolt actions such as 7mm, 8mm, 303, as npb. Now I want to know it from Punjabs perspective whether bolt actions above .22 are allowed; not at all allowed, or if its a "grey area"(un decided), as it comes to my mind. As I want to purchase a 7mm or 30-06 bolt action on a punjab provincial npb license, so pls guide me should I purchase it or not on my new license? :o Can any dealer facilitate it?
So now any response especially from our punjabi brothers is strongly appreciated.

Thanks in anticipation for your cooperation.

TAREEN
21-11-2009, 05:40 PM
There has been a long standing confusion between the word ‘Prohibited Bore’ & ‘restricted license categories’. Although it has been discussed in lengths earlier, but for convenience & review we can do it once again.
The questions put forward are segmented into three levels for easy understanding.
a. PB & NPB categories
Prohibited Bore: All automatic weapons regardless of their caliber fall in this category. and it is applicable all over Pakistan.
Non Prohibited Bore: All semi-auto & single-shot weapons including handguns (revolvers & pistols), rifles & shotguns fall in this category. This is also applicable all over Pakistan.

b. What is being issued & what is not
Here lies the confusion. There is slight difference in what Ministry of Interior (MOI) & Provincial Governments are doing in this regard. Currently,
- PB licenses are being issued by MOI (for all Pakistan) only for automatic weapons.
- NPB licenses are being issued by MOI (for all Pakistan), Punjab, NWFP & Baluchistan for .22 caliber only.
- Sindh Government is issuing NPB licenses for bolt-action rifles in other calibers as we in addition to .22.

c. What can be purchased on new v/s old licenses
As there is generally no confusion with handgun & shotgun licenses, we’ll jump to rifle licenses.

Recently issued licenses
For the last couple of years, Government is issuing rifle licenses for .22 caliber ONLY. Recently, as mentioned above, Sindh Government opened other calibers as well in bolt-action. For all such licenses, its clearly mentioned on them that they are valid for .22 caliber only. Therefore only a .22 rifle can be purchased on it, may it be a semi-auto or a bolt-action.

Older licenses
In case of licenses issued before this restriction of .22 only, similar caliber can be purchased again if the caliber is specified on the license. If just ‘NPB’ is mentioned, any NPB caliber weapon can be purchased.

@Tipu Sultan....brother u'r answer is in segment three. Hope it will help.

Anyone who can explain better is most welcome to contribute & correct me where I'm wrong.

aq4530ba
21-11-2009, 06:06 PM
There has been a long standing confusion between the word ‘Prohibited Bore’ & ‘restricted license categories’. Although it has been discussed in lengths earlier, but for convenience & review we can do it once again.
The questions put forward are segmented into three levels for easy understanding.
a. PB & NPB categories
Prohibited Bore: All automatic weapons regardless of their caliber fall in this category. and it is applicable all over Pakistan.
Non Prohibited Bore: All semi-auto & single-shot weapons including handguns (revolvers & pistols), rifles & shotguns fall in this category. This is also applicable all over Pakistan.

b. What is being issued & what is not
Here lies the confusion. There is slight difference in what Ministry of Interior (MOI) & Provincial Governments are doing in this regard. Currently,
- PB licenses are being issued by MOI (for all Pakistan) only for automatic weapons.
- NPB licenses are being issued by MOI (for all Pakistan), Punjab, NWFP & Baluchistan for .22 caliber only.
- Sindh Government is issuing NPB licenses for bolt-action rifles in other calibers as we in addition to .22.

c. What can be purchased on new v/s old licenses
As there is generally no confusion with handgun & shotgun licenses, we’ll jump to rifle licenses.

Recently issued licenses
For the last couple of years, Government is issuing rifle licenses for .22 caliber ONLY. Recently, as mentioned above, Sindh Government opened other calibers as well in bolt-action. For all such licenses, its clearly mentioned on them that they are valid for .22 caliber only. Therefore only a .22 rifle can be purchased on it, may it be a semi-auto or a bolt-action.

Older licenses
In case of licenses issued before this restriction of .22 only, similar caliber can be purchased again if the caliber is specified on the license. If just ‘NPB’ is mentioned, any NPB caliber weapon can be purchased.

@Tipu Sultan....brother u'r answer is in segment three. Hope it will help.

Anyone who can explain better is most welcome to contribute & correct me where I'm wrong.

Tareen Bhai, thank you for clearing this license issue up... I was totally lost as to what PB, NPB meant. Very nicely explained :)

Tipu Sultan
21-11-2009, 06:51 PM
@Tareen. Thankyou so much bro for a thorough explanation. The message that I have perceived is that currently the only option in rifles to own in punjab is limited to one and only .22 caliber. No matter its bolt action or semi automatic. Also another interesting perspective is variation in provincial laws as to what is pb or npb. As mentioned that only sindh Govt. allows for greater calibers in rifles and that also in bolt action only. Does this mean that there is more requirement for rifles in sindh than in punjab? :rolleyes: or maybe simply Punjab Govt is more strict whereas Sindh Govt has a softer corner for such arms. To be fair I was not aware of variation in Gun laws on province to province basis. I thought maybe it is centralized.
Btw if someone knows of any crime that is illegal in punjab but on the other hand considered legal in sindh or vice versa? ;)

Any thoughts from other members are duly anticipated and encouraged.

Tipu Sultan
21-11-2009, 08:55 PM
Another thought provoking question is what actually triggered our Govt to impose ban on rifles in general? Why not handguns or shotguns. Specifically With mention to bolt action version of rifles, I seriously think there are many weapons in current category of npb that are practically more effective and destructive than these bolt action rifles of any caliber. I dont think that the crime rate has reduced since ban on rifles; rather if you see the statistics, it might be other way around. The ban imposition has only taken the fun factor away from general public because for me anyone buying a bolt action rifle would just be doing that for sporting or hunting fun.

Tipu Sultan
21-11-2009, 09:10 PM
Btw are rifles too dangerous or destructive, really :mad: or do we need a few wise heads among our policy makers?
We would gain nothing by making our nation a "rifle-less" state. Rifles like 303, 7 mm, 8mm have been an integral part of our tribal culture too for quite some time. Our darra people make pretty good bolt action rifles such as 7mm, 8mm, 303 etc. Thus we also have devoided them the opportunity to make useful earning by manufacturing something that they are good at.
I am not at all convinced by the prohibitation of rifles in general. Once we used to shoot rifles like 303 as part of our NCC training curriculum, and now these rifle have altogether been banned by our Govt.
Strange! but things like that happen in nation like ours where general public has the least priority in the eyes of policy makers.

TAREEN
22-11-2009, 08:18 AM
@Tipu Sultan.... your conclusion & understanding is correct about .22 rifle status in Punjab.

For the rest of your analysis & points raised, I'm afraid answering them requires us to go into 'no go' area, i.e. criticizing Government policies. As per forum rules we must avoid that whatsoever.

Tipu Sultan
23-11-2009, 11:28 PM
@Tareen. Thanks again bro. You are right maybe we should accept our fate rather than criticising the Govt. policies. :|
Anyway If one gets a provincial license made from sindh; on such a license, can one keep a bolt action rifle in punjab? Would so be the case with MOI as well.
Also do we see that in the near future all bolt actions will become NPB in punjab as well?

TAREEN
24-11-2009, 07:56 AM
A sindh license is meant for Sindh only. Its invalid in other provinces and similarly other provincial licenses are valid for their respective provinces only.

MOI licenses are valid for all regions of Pakistan and licenses guns can be transported (not carried) from one place to the other by whatever means possible along with the retainer of the license.

As for the NPB bolt-action licenses opening is concerned, hope is always there. Just pray that some of us get elected to the assembly and do something about this sport.

Tipu Sultan
24-11-2009, 05:04 PM
@Tareen. Very rightly said bro. We all must pray at the upcoming holy event of Eid for Abbas bhai to become president, Ka-Khan as prime minister, whereas many of us to be parliamentarians/assembly members. Just imagine the possibilities then...,,, :P

Sohail
25-11-2009, 04:31 PM
A sindh license is meant for Sindh only. Its invalid in other provinces and similarly other provincial licenses are valid for their respective provinces only.

MOI licenses are valid for all regions of Pakistan and licenses guns can be transported (not carried) from one place to the other by whatever means possible along with the retainer of the license.

As for the NPB bolt-action licenses opening is concerned, hope is always there. Just pray that some of us get elected to the assembly and do something about this sport.


Sindh license can also be stamped with "All Pakistan" but now a days the possiblity is very limited only the one who has straight source; can get this done.

on sindh license you can also get any bolt action rifle; regardless of the guage.

regards

Topak
25-11-2009, 06:41 PM
Sindh license can also be stamped with "All Pakistan" but now a days the possiblity is very limited only the one who has straight source; can get this done.

on sindh license you can also get any bolt action rifle; regardless of the guage.

regards
nice idea.... http://www.postimage.org/templates/images/smiley/confused/11.gif (http://www.postimage.org/)

aq4530ba
25-11-2009, 09:47 PM
on sindh license you can also get any bolt action rifle; regardless of the guage.

regards

Thats not fair :( It should be allowed on MOI also... :/

Tipu Sultan
25-11-2009, 10:02 PM
@aq4530ba, Very rightly said aq4530ba. Wish that happens soon. :)

A few members in some threads have also mentioned that any bolt actions can be registered on MOI also. Provided that the MOI is made from Karachi or any part of sindh. If any body knows about this possiblity pls throw some light on it.

Aamar
26-11-2009, 10:49 AM
@ Tareen: well done :D

ruffantuff
26-11-2009, 08:25 PM
All, this a very simple solution for those who are living sindh, if you have a MOI (new or old) please get a weapon (rifle) purchased on it and then sell it back to your arms dealer. Now ask your dealer to get a purchase period stamped on it from the authority, which will be as follows; "1 NBP weapon allow .22 or bolt action rifle only" this will legally allow you to purchase weapon of your choice. For those friends living in other provinces of my dear Country, please request your dealer to help you get this done via their network in Karachi and they will send your MOI to be stamped, however you must purchase your weapon from Karachi/Sind and the dealer will have it transported back your dealer within the city you live in.

Take Care.

Tipu Sultan
28-11-2009, 12:37 AM
@ruffantuff, Thank you so much bro. Your suggestion seems to be very interesting and definitely its worth giving an effort. Infact I will now contact my dealer in lahore to throw some light on this possibility. I will definitely give it a try once I have my MOI in my hands. If it really works, more than good :)
Anyway a very nice and creative idea for rifle thirsty addicts like me. :P

Thanks again.

ruffantuff
28-11-2009, 06:47 PM
Always welcome. Let me know if you need any help, Email me at ruffantuff@hotmail.com

Tipu Sultan
29-11-2009, 12:22 AM
@ruffantuff, Thanks bro. You have already proved to be very helpful. I will contact you once I discuss this possibility with my dealer after eid days. Anyway Wish you happy n joyful eid days.
:) T C.

Dr Zakir
29-11-2009, 08:36 AM
u can get any calibre bolt action rifle on MOI from sindh as NPB in sindh includes those rifle calibre , purchase it from there and get it registered with DCO there and transport it back . thats what my dealer told me when i wanted to buy 3006 rifle .

Tipu Sultan
30-11-2009, 05:35 PM
@Dr Zakir. Thanks Dr. sahib for adding your personal experience. I think thats what the gyst is all about as also indicated by "ruffantuff". One will have to buy the weapon as well as register it somewhere in sindh. Being an MOI then one could transport it anywhere even to punjab. Yes that makes a lot of sense. Hope I get my MOI soon and then I will give it a full try and finally share my experience with all of you.