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Anthrax
19-11-2009, 03:21 PM
CARACAL F SEMI-AUTO PISTOL


The Caracal series of advanced pistols starts with an all-new Semi-Automatic 9 x19mm pistol. Initially, the Caracal series enters the market offering pistols of two different sizes; the Caracal full size (F) and Caracal compact size (C).

Both models are available in several other popular calibres to meet all users requirements.



Technical description


Technical description Caracal F
Slide Length 178 mm
Barrel Length 104 mm
Height 135 mm
Width 28 mm
Weight 750 g
Caliber 9x19/9x21/357/40
Magazine Capacity 18/18/16/16
Grip Frame Synthetic
Trigger System Short Double Action
Trigger Weight (Constant) ~2.2 kg
Trigger Travel (Constant) ~8 mm
Internal Safety (Trigger, Drop and Firing Pin) 3
Manual Safety 1
Cocking Indicator 1
Magazine Catch Ambidextrous


http://s1.postimage.org/1o5ZPi.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1o5ZPi)

http://s1.postimage.org/1o63OA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1o63OA)

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Anthrax
19-11-2009, 03:24 PM
CARACAL C SEMI-AUTO PISTOL


The Caracal series of advanced pistols starts with an all-new Semi-Automatic 9 x19mm pistol. Initially, the Caracal series enters the market offering pistols of two different sizes; the Caracal full size (F) and Caracal compact size (C).

Both models are available in several other popular calibres to meet all users requirements.



Technical description


Technical description Caracal C
Slide Length 167 mm
Barrel Length 93 mm
Height 122 mm
Width 28 mm
Weight 700 g
Caliber 9x19/9x21/357/40
Magazine Capacity 15/15/13/13
Grip Frame Synthetic
Trigger System Short Double Action
Trigger Weight (Constant) ~2.2 kg
Trigger Travel (Constant) ~8 mm

Internal Safety
(Trigger, Drop and Firing Pin)
3
Manual Safety 1
Cocking Indicator 1
Magazine Catch Ambidextrous


http://s4.postimage.org/Q2DNr.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVQ2DNr)

Bullseye
19-11-2009, 03:26 PM
Repost. Sorry;)

Anthrax
19-11-2009, 03:26 PM
CARACAL SC SEMI-AUTO PISTOL


The CARACAL SC was launched in Abu Dhabi IDEX 2009. In consistence with our vision and mission, the Caracal SC has set a new benchmark for firearms in its class. Keeping to our promise, the SC is a symbol of innovation. Its seamless design and value added features have provided the user with more advantages than thought possible.

The SC is perfect as a primary weapon for those government professionals who must conceal a handgun for job related situations, or as a secondary back up pistol. The Caracal SC is also a must have for gun enthusiast as they truly have never seen such a unique sub compact like the SC.

Its compact size and slenderness assists the user in concealing their weapon more effectively. More over, the SC grip fits perfectly in the users hand and there are two different grip magazines for individual preferences. The magazines come in either a standard flat bottom or a slightly developed magazine with finger rest for ultimate grip. The SC holds up to 13 rounds and may also adopt the Caracal F magazine, which holds up to 18 rounds with a special grip adapter that has been developed for the Caracal SC.





Technical description

Technical description Caracal SC
Slide Length 160 mm
Barrel Length 186 mm
Height 112 mm
Width 23.5 mm
Weight 650 g
Caliber 9x19/9x21
Magazine Capacity 13/(15/18)*
Grip Frame Synthetic
Trigger System Short Double Action
Trigger Weight (Constant) ~2.2 kg
Trigger Travel (Constant) ~8 mm
Internal Safety (Trigger, Drop and Firing Pin) 3
Manual Safety 1
Cocking Indicator 1
Magazine Catch Ambidextrous
* Adopts Caracal F & C Magazines


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AK47
19-11-2009, 03:27 PM
Beautiful discovery, Antrax bro, thanks for sharing. Could such babes enter our markets?

Basharat
19-11-2009, 03:27 PM
I saw this at the IDEX'09 exhibition this past feb. there are alot of interesting add ons that they have made for it as well.

Anthrax
19-11-2009, 03:29 PM
Beautiful discovery, Antrax bro, thanks for sharing. Could such babes enter our markets?

Thanks AK! Without a doubt, we'll see this pistol in our markets soon enough. ;)

Anthrax
19-11-2009, 03:33 PM
Some more pictures:

http://www.caracal.ae/web//images/gallery/8-L.jpg
http://www.caracal.ae/web//images/gallery/7-L.jpg
http://www.caracal.ae/web//images/gallery/6-L.jpg
http://www.caracal.ae/web//images/gallery/3-L.jpg
http://www.caracal.ae/web//images/gallery/2-L.jpg
http://www.caracal.ae/web//images/gallery/4-L.jpg

Ali Akbar
19-11-2009, 03:41 PM
good find anthrax bro itsrealy interesting

Glocky
19-11-2009, 03:50 PM
Beautiful discovery, Antrax bro, thanks for sharing. Could such babes enter our markets?

Thanks AK! Without a doubt, we'll see this pistol in our markets soon enough. ;)

Already here but not for commercial sale yet

aq4530ba
19-11-2009, 03:53 PM
Beautiful discovery, Antrax bro, thanks for sharing. Could such babes enter our markets?

Thanks AK! Without a doubt, we'll see this pistol in our markets soon enough. ;)

Already here but not for commercial sale yet

Glocky! :D hahaha sorry nothing to do with the thread, but was just wondering where you were and suddenly you posted! :P

Glocky
19-11-2009, 03:58 PM
just logged on and saw this thread. :)

Zhatash
19-11-2009, 05:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwccqe7E_8o&feature=related

Thanx Anthrax for Caracal..

Mitho
19-11-2009, 05:33 PM
one more hammerless clone........

Usama
19-11-2009, 05:54 PM
very nice...but i guess this has been discussed earlier..

Slayerjatt
19-11-2009, 07:06 PM
yes it has been discussed before. let's see when it hits the local market. whenever it does, i don't expect it to be in low or even medium price slot.

AK47
19-11-2009, 07:14 PM
Don't understand why it shouldn't be in the "medium price range", Slayer ? You expect it to level with the Glock, in terms of price? I don't. It should be priced at max, and that is MAX, 80-100K.

aq4530ba
19-11-2009, 10:12 PM
Don't understand why it shouldn't be in the "medium price range", Slayer ? You expect it to level with the Glock, in terms of price? I don't. It should be priced at max, and that is MAX, 80-100K.

+1 bro

Mitho
19-11-2009, 11:03 PM
@glocky
what do u mean by that these pistols are here?are they with LEAs?

KageFox
19-11-2009, 11:20 PM
However good it may be, it is not a Glock and coming from the Middle East, it should not/ cannot be priced the same way as the Austrian Glock. Until this pistol hits the market and is tested out, one cannot say whether it can be considered as Glock replacement or not.

Though I kinda like the looks of this new gun... a bit more modern and slightly less blocky than the Glock. Would I be wrong to assume that the Caracal C is rougly the same size as the Glock 19?

Nabeel
19-11-2009, 11:33 PM
http://www.caracal.ae/web/

"unauthorised Video"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSw9TdTLtpI

Caracal also manages famous German Rifle manufacturer Merkel

http://www.merkel-die-jagd.de/en/produkte/gewehre/

LionHeart
20-11-2009, 08:30 AM
@Anthrax: Brother sharing with details. Indeed it looks great i hope will perform the same as it looks. It seems that it can be a good competitor of Glock. INSHALLAH

@Nabeel Thanks for sharing this video of caracal at firing range. Look nice while firing

aq4530ba
20-11-2009, 09:38 AM
I like this gun.. It has a sporty touch to it.. not as blocky as the glock, but that doesnt matter really.. cant wait to get reviews on it! :cool:
@Nabeel, thanks for the video bro, it was quite cool.. I also found another video on youtube, but it refuses to load on my laptop. It seems to be a review of the pistol though.. you guys can check it out if you have time. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwccqe7E_8o&feature=related

Aamar
20-11-2009, 09:39 AM
Very nice , i like, hope it comes to our market and is priced decently :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
20-11-2009, 10:00 AM
We should all try to support our local industry as well as the industries of other Muslim countries.

Thanks for sharing Anthrax.

aq4530ba
20-11-2009, 10:09 AM
We should all try to support our local industry as well as the industries of other Muslim countries.

Thanks for sharing Anthrax.

+1 Sir

Glocky
20-11-2009, 10:35 AM
@glocky
what do u mean by that these pistols are here?are they with LEAs?

No LEA has them either.

Glocky
20-11-2009, 10:37 AM
However good it may be, it is not a Glock and coming from the Middle East, it should not/ cannot be priced the same way as the Austrian Glock. Until this pistol hits the market and is tested out, one cannot say whether it can be considered as Glock replacement or not.

Though I kinda like the looks of this new gun... a bit more modern and slightly less blocky than the Glock. Would I be wrong to assume that the Caracal C is rougly the same size as the Glock 19?

You'd be surprised with the performance. And yes the compact is the same size as a G19.

Gilani
20-11-2009, 12:46 PM
However good it may be, it is not a Glock and coming from the Middle East, it should not/ cannot be priced the same way as the Austrian Glock. Until this pistol hits the market and is tested out, one cannot say whether it can be considered as Glock replacement or not.

Absolutely correct!

Usama
20-11-2009, 02:55 PM
It looks really nice to me ...better then glock lOOk..and Yeah salaudin bro we will support our fellow muslim countries but
when do it by launching it in pak with a price around 50k-80k ;)

Anthrax
20-11-2009, 05:31 PM
No need to say Thanks guys. That's what we're here for, share information. :)

Glad to see that so many brothers liked this pistol. If it hits the market, I'm sure people will go bonkers over it if its good in performance and reliability.

aq4530ba
20-11-2009, 10:52 PM
PEOPLE!!! :D

http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=81475#p81475

The video shows amazing performance from the gun! it is currently a sticky in the club house section and the link above takes you to it. When Steve changes guns about halfway through, you can see that he is using the caracal f. at least it looks like it... If it is it, i want it nowwww!!!! :(

mehranbiz
21-11-2009, 12:22 AM
Really Good this pistol have win all NATO test, German police tests and German armed forces tests. Very reliable pistol that quailify all these test together

StevenCline
21-11-2009, 03:53 AM
Good lookin' gun.

I think I want one.

Wonder if Glock is gonna sue 'em for patent violations...

aq4530ba
21-11-2009, 08:28 AM
Good lookin' gun.

I think I want one.

Wonder if Glock is gonna sue 'em for patent violations...

Have they violated anything? All that i can see that might be copied is the slide design... :/
But yeah Im looking forward to its appearance in our market to! :D

Sensei
21-11-2009, 12:35 PM
@Anthrax very nice sharing brother relly a DHANSOO looking gun overall impression is great, could be a dream of any gun enthusiast :cool:

Gilani
21-11-2009, 07:31 PM
Really Good this pistol have win all NATO test, German police tests and German armed forces tests. Very reliable pistol that quailify all these test together

That's impressive!

wasifali89
25-11-2009, 07:32 PM
good one

Rameez Saqib
20-12-2009, 04:06 AM
http://s4.postimage.org/goFU9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVgoFU9)




Does anybudy have knowledge abt this weapon ??/

Dr Zakir
20-12-2009, 09:22 PM
i have seen the gun and held it in my hands . it will depend in which price range it will be offered . below 100k it should do well above that will depend how good it is.

Ilyas
20-12-2009, 11:30 PM
@Zakir Bhai... Salams! Hope all is fine at home.
Where did you see it n could you not confirm the price, from
the place where you saw it?

Faisal Bakhtiar
21-12-2009, 01:16 AM
Zakir saheb would you like to explain where you saw this any dealer/importer
need your comments on quality

salmanjin
21-12-2009, 10:36 AM
i have seen and used this weapon durig idex08 in abu dabi
this was designed and made by a former glock designer
in every way its comparable and even better than glock

have witness it go though mud sand frost test
and saft test also in which they threw a loaded gun (with a dummy round obviouly) from a set of fourty stairs

Dr Zakir
21-12-2009, 03:27 PM
illyas how are u , sorry have been very busy these days many a times a think of calling u but some thing turns up and it slips my mind. whenever i and moeen meet u are praised in absence.
caracal is owned by one of the guys who has dealership of pakistan . presently not for sale in shops but will hit market soon . i have heard they have already and order of 250 pistols from govt

Dr Zakir
21-12-2009, 03:31 PM
moeen didnt like it very much . especially in the price range they were planning to offer .
comparsion with glock , well many have come but glock is a glock . in the range i would say XD is the strongest competitor of glock

Ilyas
21-12-2009, 10:00 PM
@Zakir Bhai... I'm fine alhamdulilah! It has been very long that we haven't met but my 'sources' have informed
me that you n 12gauge visited Pesh few days back and returned without seeing me... this is really BAD :( Will only
excuse you for this, if you promise not to let this happen again.

Rameez Saqib
22-12-2009, 02:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSMaBhtcZ0M

Abbas
22-02-2010, 01:37 PM
Any updates on this pistol ? I was watching a video about it a one or two days back and WANT one. As far as I know they initially want to introduce it domestically in U.A.E and then export the major chunk to the U.S. What I find strange is that they are aiming for 30,000 units a year. If they produce 300,000 units a year then we'll see some good prices specially since this pistol won't be subject to export restrictions.

Glocky
22-02-2010, 01:42 PM
You should see them in the markets soon. :)
Some pieces have been imported

Abbas
22-02-2010, 03:23 PM
Really ? That's great, any idea as to price and time frame for availability ??

Usama
22-02-2010, 03:44 PM
You should see them in the markets soon. :)
Some pieces have been imported

Are you Sure ...
any reference ?I have tried contacting them a lot for importing it.

Khalil
22-02-2010, 03:49 PM
Rem. Every record is made for a break, there is no milestone in the world. once the glock record will also be broken..:)

Rotorcrafts
22-02-2010, 04:28 PM
I have drooled over this pistol for quite some time now. if it becomes available in the market and is affordable i will surely buy it.

Taurus
22-02-2010, 07:14 PM
I believe everyone has seen it in the pics but one of my friend has tested this pistol he said he loved the balance of this pistol and over or under Rs.80000 seems to a good buy and abbas is right they are producing 30000 units which is very less currently atleast 100000 should be a good mark...lets c when its on the hands then we can get a perfect review till now we are hearing positive abt this weapon...
@Glocky:- where are the some of pieces have u seen it anywhere?

Glocky
22-02-2010, 07:30 PM
Both standard and compact versions. They are a breeze to shoot, even better than a glock i dare say. You should see them around soon.

PsiFactor
22-02-2010, 07:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7uXLiPc98

Nice gun

Taurus
22-02-2010, 11:17 PM
Here is another VDO too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSw9TdTLtpI&feature=related

Dr Zakir
23-02-2010, 03:32 PM
Heard that price would be between 150 and 175 k . That u pesonally believe is too much . Around 75 k should have been good price .

Abbas
24-02-2010, 01:35 AM
150 k is insane for this pistol, anything above 100K and it's simply not worth buying. I agree an ideal price should be 75 or 80k.

khurramdool
24-02-2010, 07:45 AM
Very nice discovery

Dr Zakir
28-02-2010, 08:41 PM
today i fired two types of caracal pistols at range . one was the full size version and one was compact with rapid accustion sights . fired about 15 round in each . full size version has nice grip and a very low recoil. i like the grip better than a glock . compact version had more recoil and is very sllek to carry . expected to be launched in market next month. they were not telling the final price . i suggested that a competitive price will earn them a good market share.

Ilyas
28-02-2010, 11:24 PM
Zakir Bhai...Thanks for sharing the experience. How was the accuracy of the full size version?

Taurus
01-03-2010, 01:20 AM
zakir bhai what is the price? was that bought by a range member ? or any friend?

Anthrax
01-03-2010, 01:26 AM
That's some awesome news, Dr Zakir! So finally the much awaited UAE beauty will be arriving to a store near us! :cool:

Can't wait!

By the way, could you tell us a bit more about your experience with the Caracal F? How'd you find it's accuracy with sight alignment?

Dr Zakir
01-03-2010, 02:08 PM
weapon is quite accurate . its like steyr pistol. weapon was owned by the person who is one of the owners of dealership in pakistan . he was not telling the price , said they would market next month. however moeen told me that they are intending to market around 160 to 175 k , which i thought is more . a price in range of below 100k would be quite good. i was also told that nato has oked the pistol.

PsiFactor
01-03-2010, 03:39 PM
weapon is quite accurate . its like steyr pistol. weapon was owned by the person who is one of the owners of dealership in pakistan . he was not telling the price , said they would market next month. however moeen told me that they are intending to market around 160 to 175 k , which i thought is more . a price in range of below 100k would be quite good. i was also told that nato has oked the pistol.
yes caracal is designed by Wilhelm Bubits an Austrian handgun designer and creator of the Caracal Pistol and Steyr Mannlicher M and S model pistols.


Source :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Bubits

wittycranium
01-03-2010, 10:03 PM
I hope to see it here soon.

Ilyas
01-03-2010, 11:00 PM
... however moeen told me that they are intending to market around 160 to 175 k , which i thought is more . a price in range of below 100k would be quite good

+1 Zakir Bhai... No matter how good these pistols are, 160-175k is totally insane. People here are willing to pay
almost three times the price for Sigs, Glocks, HKs and Berettas only because there is export ban on supplying
these to Pakistan. Caracal has no such issue, therefore IMHO if they want to make it a success story here, they
must price it rationally because the buyers here, besides being aware are brand conscious as well. Many who can
afford a 175k Caracal, would be more than willing to pay 225k for a Glock coz Caracal still is a newly introduced
brand and that too, from UAE.

Even Taurus's 24/7 was an award winning gun, but most of us here didn't have any pleasant experience with it.

12GAUGE
01-03-2010, 11:33 PM
I too saw both versions of the pistol. it was a nice looking pistol for a striker fire handgun. grip was good too. but with fixed rear sights (no dove tail) and an expected price tag of 170K, I was unimpressed. its UAE manufactured (low labor costs+plus low duties) plus low freight charges given the close proximity to Pakistan plus the handgun doesn't offer anything extraordinary, I do not believe that it should be priced any more than 50K.

IMHO, I were to pay in dollars, I would not be comfortable in paying anything more than $400.

Regards.

Taurus
02-03-2010, 12:13 AM
Dealers Should correct the prices as this is a very bad price for buying ...same happened in the case of taurus 24/7 when it came in the market one of my friend bought it in the same way of caracal and got it for 125k and i think this gun shouldnt be more than 75k that too i think is expensive

Anthrax
02-03-2010, 12:20 AM
+1 Taurus! I believe the Caracal will be a success in the market but only if the dealers charge a reasonable amount for it. 150+ is insane, in my view, the Caracal shouldn't be more than 60k.

Gilani
02-03-2010, 12:49 AM
I do not believe that it should be priced any more than 50K. IMHO, I were to pay in dollars, I would not be comfortable in paying anything more than $400.

Absolutely agreed. More than 50 k I would go for a Baikal 446 Viking :)

Taurus
02-03-2010, 01:27 AM
Caracal is a very good built pistol as from the sources i heard one of my friend this pistol in abu dhabi in the shooting range and came up saying the built is very excellent and caracal is expected to be a successful pistol but price is damn way upsetting!!!

LoneRanger
15-05-2010, 03:21 PM
Dear forum any one has had any practical experience with this Caracal 9mm and is this gun available locally

Aquarius
16-05-2010, 10:53 AM
Dear forum any one has had any practical experience with this Caracal 9mm and is this gun available locally

Not Available.