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Naveed_pk
09-11-2009, 06:34 PM
If it comes down to deciding between a Stoeger Couger and the CZ999, which one would each of you prefer and why?


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CougarMan
09-11-2009, 06:46 PM
Cougar all the way. A tried and tested design. Especially for a beginner as it has a manual safety that can allow safe handling and be more forgiving.

AK47
09-11-2009, 06:51 PM
Naveed, it depends on the purpose, even though they both may be equally concealable for S.D, the CZ, according to reviews here, especially by Abbas and Dr. Zakir sb, seems a better option for range use, in terms of accuracy. However, I personally prefer the Cougar, coz it's a tested gun with much reliability attached to it, and finally, coz it's a Beretta gun in turkish clothes! In my opinion, it even looks better!

12GAUGE
09-11-2009, 06:57 PM
its a pretty close match. cause in my experience, if u want good finish, smooth functioning of the safety/decocker and mag release buttons and smooth mag release and insertion and high concealability, then go for stoeger. plus its a rotating barrel design which inherently is more accurate but is less reliable (this stuff i've heard/read) than tilting/tipping barrel type locking mechanisms.

In my personal experience however both are equally reliable and its pretty hard to distinquish between the two from that perspective. however, if u want robustness and durability, CZ wins hands down. what it lacks in finish (sights are off dead center, scrathes/dings)and smoothness (hard decockers, both levers dont have same/equal feel, both magazine release buttons dont have the same feel) it makes up for it in high service life and durability. plus its a tilting type barrel which should make it more reliable (atleast in theory).

from recoil perspective, CZ-999 fits well in my hand so we can safely assume that I would prefer its recoil over stoeger. but not everybody's hands are the same right?

from safety and testing perspective, I believe CZ-999 is better cause its been thoroughly tested in the U.S. and its bigger cousin the CZ-99 has been adopted by a military as standard service sidearm. but all that does not mean that the stoeger isnt a throughly tested design.

from heritage standpoint. stoeger has the genetics of an italian firearms manufacturer which definately matters whereas zastava isnt that well known. though it too has a history of quality/reliable firearms.

Regards.

uzair859
09-11-2009, 07:02 PM
stroeger all the way i feel satisfied and 100 percent reliability

Sensei
09-11-2009, 07:25 PM
@Naveed thanks to start this thread hope salahudding will join
soon :) now coming to the point as I have read the review of
CZ999 very carefully as it is provided by Mr.Abbas I found this
gun very very nice infact though never had any experience of it
really good looking gun rough & tough great barrel life & more
& more,stoeger couger was in my experience for enough time
and frankly speaking if I would have a chance to pick just one
from two I would surely pick the Stoeger couger without any hesitation but..........if I would have another MOI then CZ999
would be the next no doubt :cool:

Dr Zakir
09-11-2009, 07:41 PM
It would be a matter of personal prefrence but for me CZ better for it's better accuracy and less recoil . CZ is the best clone of SIG P226 and so I am having taste of SIG at a fraction of cost .
Stoeger follows design of beretta cougar which never got popular abroad due to it's higher price

For any body asking me my no 1 choice under 100 k would be CZ or baikal

SevenMagnum
09-11-2009, 07:53 PM
@Dr zakir
is baikal better than CZ ?

aq4530ba
09-11-2009, 08:17 PM
stoeger bro, as said above, it is tested, is very good for begginners, and is very durable (Long life and can take quite a lot of misuse. It also seems to have the blessings of our whole forum :) I dont think that i have ever seen a member posting that they are not happy with a cougar. So yes, I would suggest the cougar. Also, just take a look at the treads around the forum, you can get a lot of information and reviews for the cougar.

Goodluck on your decision dude
Regards

Salahuddin Ayubi
09-11-2009, 08:27 PM
Jazakallah khair Naveed for starting the thread.

Great to read different perspectives from our learned members.

Seems like a tie between the two. I guess it all comes down to which one feels better in your hands.

12GAUGE
09-11-2009, 08:30 PM
@Dr zakir
is baikal better than CZ ?

even though the question is not directed towards but i'll go ahead and answer that for ya anyways.

to me, Baikal MP-446 "Viking" is like a badass battle tank. all fueled up for the "hell and back" trip. whereas CZ-999 "Scorpion" is a like rough and tough 4*4, ready to take u anywhere u wanna go. now u decide.

Regards.

p.s. remember, tanks dont come with a CD player, automatic seats and windows. similarly a 4*4 isnt equipped with a "superfly" 100+mm canon either.

AK47
09-11-2009, 08:41 PM
Quite illustrative 12 gauge, you choose your words just right, bro! However, speaking on your terms of tanks, jeeps, CD- players, power windows, etc, I guess, now a bit off-topic, what would you have said about a TT? No Airbag!

Denovo87
09-11-2009, 08:56 PM
To my opinion TT is street bike very maneuverable but cant do pillion riding :)

SevenMagnum
09-11-2009, 09:08 PM
hurah Denovo87 you are pointing to CD 70.

Dr Zakir
09-11-2009, 09:10 PM
seven magnum, ah difficult to say so i have already purchased cz and would be buying baikal in couple of months

Dr Zakir
09-11-2009, 09:12 PM
look at this way instead of buying an orginal SIG i can buy a CZ ,baikal , zastava m57 and baikal mp 153 and still have money left

SevenMagnum
09-11-2009, 09:20 PM
Dr sahib 12 GAUGE kia kahtay hain. Wonderful description by 12 GAUGE. He is hot on this post. Standing applause for you 12 gauge.

Salahuddin Ayubi
09-11-2009, 11:49 PM
Excellent feedbacks, especially by brother 12Gauge (both your posts were superb).

So,

the Baikal Viking is a battle tank

the CZ999, a 4x4 (Land Rover)

I guess, the Stoeger is then a 4x4 (Range Rover)


Difference between a Land Rover and Range Rover?

Land Rover
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Defender90.JPG/180px-Defender90.JPG

Range Rover
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Range_Rover_HSE.JPG/250px-Range_Rover_HSE.JPG

And a Tank
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/T-55_skos_RB.jpg/300px-T-55_skos_RB.jpg

Yardie Jutt
09-11-2009, 11:57 PM
+1 SA sb :)

12GAUGE
10-11-2009, 07:00 AM
+1 SA sb.

Baikal MP-446 "Viking"
http://www.enemyforces.net/tanks/t90.jpg

CZ-999 "Scorpion"
http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/land_rover_defender_90_svx.jpg

Stoeger-8000 "Cougar"
http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2006-range-rover-sport.jpg

Chinese CF98/NP42
http://www.kitfoster.com/images/2007-2-14_Changfeng-Liebao_CS6-07_DetroitWeb-Large.jpg
the actual product of the Chang Feng company.

Regards.

Salahuddin Ayubi
10-11-2009, 07:34 AM
12guage,

You have a way of explaining with images which doesnt leave much else to say.

Naveed_pk
10-11-2009, 11:31 AM
LOL !!!! :lol: :lol: very well explained @12guage and SA
Yes Sensei And SA...I started this thread on behalf of u ..actually i was also confused bw these to...My cousin has applied for MOI ..and i was in search whcich one we go for...and i think after reading the post of all our valuable members....the confusion is cleared.. :)
Excellent explanation By All Esteemed Memebers...Esp @12 guage...@SA...@Ak47....@Dr Zakir...@Sensei

Aamar
10-11-2009, 12:03 PM
@ 12 Gauge: Good one buddy :-)

I think end of the day both handguns are reliable, how one feels in your hand would be the deciding factor for me .....

Hamid
10-11-2009, 03:27 PM
12guage is good at explaining things!

Sensei
10-11-2009, 03:58 PM
well 12 guage is not good at explaining things he is simply wonderful in explaining things :cool:

@Naveed you as said your confusion is clear buddy then what
CZ999 or Stoeger couger??????? ;)

12GAUGE
10-11-2009, 04:06 PM
@All

Thank you gentlemen. one is obliged to be at service.

Regards.

Naveed_pk
10-11-2009, 04:10 PM
I will again go for the stoeger cougar.... :) its has amazing feel in the hand

Sensei
10-11-2009, 05:46 PM
@ Naveed I knew it man,you always likes some thing big in your hand :lol: really stoeger has a full hand grip amazing feel ;)

Naveed_pk
10-11-2009, 06:05 PM
:lol: :lol: Sensei bro... not something big...just the grip of a nice pistol ;) ...i am taking my words back.... u are movin to PB discussion bro....

XMen
10-11-2009, 06:15 PM
without a doubt stoeger cougar is the one for me

Sensei
10-11-2009, 06:16 PM
Naveed I accept what you explained now :)

KageFox
10-11-2009, 10:48 PM
@SA, 12Gauge: Wonderful way of comparison, sirs! Guns = BIG Vehicles, nice.

Btw, the Cougar does has a manual safety unlike the CZ999 (and I know people who simply hate their guns without it). Apart from that, the CZ999 does seem more robust. Both have a solid reputation. In the end... as always... go for the one which sits best in the hand.

DUST
15-11-2009, 04:31 AM
stoeger wins in my point of view
reasons
better controls
better finish
better ergos
better in all point of view
the only that i dont like is the slide mounted safety apart then that its better then a cz. but then again its just my comparison.

GatlinGun
15-11-2009, 11:11 AM
I would take two each thank you! :lol:

Salahuddin Ayubi
15-11-2009, 11:28 AM
I would take two each thank you! :lol:

+1 :lol: Quite difficult to decide.

I think all these three Baikal Viking, CZ999 and Stoeger are equally good. Even the CM9 seems to be a tough competitor.

Lot's of 9mm good choices for gun enthusiasts in the price range of Rs. 45k to 60k.