View Full Version : Which one do you prefer Stoeger or CZ999 ?
09-11-2009, 06:34 PM
If it comes down to deciding between a Stoeger Couger and the CZ999, which one would each of you prefer and why?
09-11-2009, 06:46 PM
Cougar all the way. A tried and tested design. Especially for a beginner as it has a manual safety that can allow safe handling and be more forgiving.
Naveed, it depends on the purpose, even though they both may be equally concealable for S.D, the CZ, according to reviews here, especially by Abbas and Dr. Zakir sb, seems a better option for range use, in terms of accuracy. However, I personally prefer the Cougar, coz it's a tested gun with much reliability attached to it, and finally, coz it's a Beretta gun in turkish clothes! In my opinion, it even looks better!
09-11-2009, 06:57 PM
its a pretty close match. cause in my experience, if u want good finish, smooth functioning of the safety/decocker and mag release buttons and smooth mag release and insertion and high concealability, then go for stoeger. plus its a rotating barrel design which inherently is more accurate but is less reliable (this stuff i've heard/read) than tilting/tipping barrel type locking mechanisms.
In my personal experience however both are equally reliable and its pretty hard to distinquish between the two from that perspective. however, if u want robustness and durability, CZ wins hands down. what it lacks in finish (sights are off dead center, scrathes/dings)and smoothness (hard decockers, both levers dont have same/equal feel, both magazine release buttons dont have the same feel) it makes up for it in high service life and durability. plus its a tilting type barrel which should make it more reliable (atleast in theory).
from recoil perspective, CZ-999 fits well in my hand so we can safely assume that I would prefer its recoil over stoeger. but not everybody's hands are the same right?
from safety and testing perspective, I believe CZ-999 is better cause its been thoroughly tested in the U.S. and its bigger cousin the CZ-99 has been adopted by a military as standard service sidearm. but all that does not mean that the stoeger isnt a throughly tested design.
from heritage standpoint. stoeger has the genetics of an italian firearms manufacturer which definately matters whereas zastava isnt that well known. though it too has a history of quality/reliable firearms.
09-11-2009, 07:02 PM
stroeger all the way i feel satisfied and 100 percent reliability
09-11-2009, 07:25 PM
@Naveed thanks to start this thread hope salahudding will join
soon :) now coming to the point as I have read the review of
CZ999 very carefully as it is provided by Mr.Abbas I found this
gun very very nice infact though never had any experience of it
really good looking gun rough & tough great barrel life & more
& more,stoeger couger was in my experience for enough time
and frankly speaking if I would have a chance to pick just one
from two I would surely pick the Stoeger couger without any hesitation but..........if I would have another MOI then CZ999
would be the next no doubt :cool:
09-11-2009, 07:41 PM
It would be a matter of personal prefrence but for me CZ better for it's better accuracy and less recoil . CZ is the best clone of SIG P226 and so I am having taste of SIG at a fraction of cost .
Stoeger follows design of beretta cougar which never got popular abroad due to it's higher price
For any body asking me my no 1 choice under 100 k would be CZ or baikal
09-11-2009, 07:53 PM
is baikal better than CZ ?
09-11-2009, 08:17 PM
stoeger bro, as said above, it is tested, is very good for begginners, and is very durable (Long life and can take quite a lot of misuse. It also seems to have the blessings of our whole forum :) I dont think that i have ever seen a member posting that they are not happy with a cougar. So yes, I would suggest the cougar. Also, just take a look at the treads around the forum, you can get a lot of information and reviews for the cougar.
Goodluck on your decision dude
09-11-2009, 08:27 PM
Jazakallah khair Naveed for starting the thread.
Great to read different perspectives from our learned members.
Seems like a tie between the two. I guess it all comes down to which one feels better in your hands.
09-11-2009, 08:30 PM
is baikal better than CZ ?
even though the question is not directed towards but i'll go ahead and answer that for ya anyways.
to me, Baikal MP-446 "Viking" is like a badass battle tank. all fueled up for the "hell and back" trip. whereas CZ-999 "Scorpion" is a like rough and tough 4*4, ready to take u anywhere u wanna go. now u decide.
p.s. remember, tanks dont come with a CD player, automatic seats and windows. similarly a 4*4 isnt equipped with a "superfly" 100+mm canon either.
Quite illustrative 12 gauge, you choose your words just right, bro! However, speaking on your terms of tanks, jeeps, CD- players, power windows, etc, I guess, now a bit off-topic, what would you have said about a TT? No Airbag!
09-11-2009, 08:56 PM
To my opinion TT is street bike very maneuverable but cant do pillion riding :)
09-11-2009, 09:08 PM
hurah Denovo87 you are pointing to CD 70.
09-11-2009, 09:10 PM
seven magnum, ah difficult to say so i have already purchased cz and would be buying baikal in couple of months
09-11-2009, 09:12 PM
look at this way instead of buying an orginal SIG i can buy a CZ ,baikal , zastava m57 and baikal mp 153 and still have money left
09-11-2009, 09:20 PM
Dr sahib 12 GAUGE kia kahtay hain. Wonderful description by 12 GAUGE. He is hot on this post. Standing applause for you 12 gauge.
09-11-2009, 11:49 PM
Excellent feedbacks, especially by brother 12Gauge (both your posts were superb).
the Baikal Viking is a battle tank
the CZ999, a 4x4 (Land Rover)
I guess, the Stoeger is then a 4x4 (Range Rover)
Difference between a Land Rover and Range Rover?
And a Tank
09-11-2009, 11:57 PM
+1 SA sb :)
10-11-2009, 07:00 AM
+1 SA sb.
Baikal MP-446 "Viking"
the actual product of the Chang Feng company.
10-11-2009, 07:34 AM
You have a way of explaining with images which doesnt leave much else to say.
10-11-2009, 11:31 AM
LOL !!!! :lol: :lol: very well explained @12guage and SA
Yes Sensei And SA...I started this thread on behalf of u ..actually i was also confused bw these to...My cousin has applied for MOI ..and i was in search whcich one we go for...and i think after reading the post of all our valuable members....the confusion is cleared.. :)
Excellent explanation By All Esteemed Memebers...Esp @12 guage...@SA...@Ak47....@Dr Zakir...@Sensei
10-11-2009, 12:03 PM
@ 12 Gauge: Good one buddy :-)
I think end of the day both handguns are reliable, how one feels in your hand would be the deciding factor for me .....
10-11-2009, 03:27 PM
12guage is good at explaining things!
10-11-2009, 03:58 PM
well 12 guage is not good at explaining things he is simply wonderful in explaining things :cool:
@Naveed you as said your confusion is clear buddy then what
CZ999 or Stoeger couger??????? ;)
10-11-2009, 04:06 PM
Thank you gentlemen. one is obliged to be at service.
10-11-2009, 04:10 PM
I will again go for the stoeger cougar.... :) its has amazing feel in the hand
10-11-2009, 05:46 PM
@ Naveed I knew it man,you always likes some thing big in your hand :lol: really stoeger has a full hand grip amazing feel ;)
10-11-2009, 06:05 PM
:lol: :lol: Sensei bro... not something big...just the grip of a nice pistol ;) ...i am taking my words back.... u are movin to PB discussion bro....
without a doubt stoeger cougar is the one for me
10-11-2009, 06:16 PM
Naveed I accept what you explained now :)
10-11-2009, 10:48 PM
@SA, 12Gauge: Wonderful way of comparison, sirs! Guns = BIG Vehicles, nice.
Btw, the Cougar does has a manual safety unlike the CZ999 (and I know people who simply hate their guns without it). Apart from that, the CZ999 does seem more robust. Both have a solid reputation. In the end... as always... go for the one which sits best in the hand.
stoeger wins in my point of view
better in all point of view
the only that i dont like is the slide mounted safety apart then that its better then a cz. but then again its just my comparison.
15-11-2009, 11:11 AM
I would take two each thank you! :lol:
15-11-2009, 11:28 AM
I would take two each thank you! :lol:
+1 :lol: Quite difficult to decide.
I think all these three Baikal Viking, CZ999 and Stoeger are equally good. Even the CM9 seems to be a tough competitor.
Lot's of 9mm good choices for gun enthusiasts in the price range of Rs. 45k to 60k.
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