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Abbas
08-11-2009, 04:31 AM
Salams All,

Recently I bought a CZ 999, most of you will be familiar with it by now as it has one of the highest spots on our recommended list. Here is a short review followed by pictures, also since many members interested in the CZ999 are new to the world of firearms they would like it compared to competitors in it's price range and beyond. It retails between 43 k to 50 K depending on city and bargaining skills.

This is a medium frame pistol made by Zastava of Serbia which was formerly known as Crvena Zastava hence the CZ designation. The pistol comes in a simple white cardboard box with a second magazine and a barrel brush. It's 9mm with a magazine capacity of 15 shots.


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/999C_resize.jpg


First impressions of the pistol are that it feels slightly heavy but solidly built, the workmanship seems good, much better than expected. Although the manufacturers claim it is an original design, it is very much a replica of the SIG 226 which is one of the best pistols of the world. There are three external controls on it, a slide release which also acts as a decocker, a dis assembly latch and the magazine release button. The interesting thing is that the pistol is completely ambidextrous i.e the magazine release switch and slide release/decocker are on both sides of the pistol which is great for left handed shooters.

The pistol fit snugly in my hand, the slide is fitted tightly on the frame and the action is very smooth. The trigger is at 4.5 pounds on double action and about 2.5 on single.

On the technical side the slide is machined from a solid piece of steel which makes it much more stronger and durable. The barrel like most good modern pistols is cold forged and chrome plated, I was surprised to learn that with proper maintainence the barrel life expectancy is 200,000 rounds ! No one is going to get anywhere near that number but it's phenomenal and says a lot about the manufacturers confidence in their product.

There are a few nags about the pistol as well, for one the front sight of my pistol is bent a little to the left, I will probably have to get it replaced. The other concern that I have is that I don't really like the look of the dis assembly lug from inside, it seems a little thin for the heavy slide. These are minor irritants which can be easily fixed but the only major issue I have with the 999 is the lack of a safety. There is a firing pin block but that is no replacement for an external safety.

I tested fired some rounds in Islamabad and in Lahore a few weeks back but not enough to form a solid opinion. Till I fire about 200 rounds from my own piece in the same environment as every other pistol I test I won't comment much. My expectations are quite high though. Will post a range report when the range reopens InshAllah.

Here is the usual eye candy. Normally I don't compare with more than two pistols but since CZ999 is getting to be a pretty popular pistol and people ask many questions about size etc I have also added some other pistols for comparison in later pictures. Enjoy !


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/CZ999a.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/CZ999B.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/CZ999C.jpg


I'm going to go out on a limb and compare it's build quality with a Glock 17 ;)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/CZ999F.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/CZ999D.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/CZ999G.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/CZ999H.jpg


Size Comparison with large, medium and compact frame pistols.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/999B_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/999D_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/999A_resize.jpg

Xerga
08-11-2009, 05:14 AM
beauties!!!

specially Glock & canik.

Awsome.

Dr Hanif Malik
08-11-2009, 06:54 AM
great h guns are and also good efforts for pictures ,cz 999 looks now very attractive.:)

KageFox
08-11-2009, 09:47 AM
Great review, sir! And even greater pictures! Plus the last pic was just awesome! Can you do one where the thickness of the the pistols can be seen? One glance at your last pic was enough to see a basic size comparison...

Mohammad
08-11-2009, 09:58 AM
@ Abbas bhai.... kindly tell us whether it has full support chamber or not?

Monis
08-11-2009, 10:28 AM
Beautifull gun

Zhatash
08-11-2009, 10:45 AM
Congratulation Abbas bhai on a new entry in yr arsenal.

AK47
08-11-2009, 10:48 AM
Beautiful Abbas, wish you best of luck with this. Though it may not be of any need for you, I just somehow wish it also had been "railed". Yet, looks like something real robust. Congrats again, let's hear from your sessions, preferably with the Cannick55 of yours side by side!

Salahuddin Ayubi
08-11-2009, 11:07 AM
Congratulations Abbas.

Seems to be of pretty much the same size as a CM9 and Stoeger.

12GAUGE
08-11-2009, 11:42 AM
@Abbas Bhai

Congratulations on ur purchase and i'm sure that in time this handgun will grow on u even more. me and Dr. Zakir believe that this pistol is the best there is (atleast in Pakistan) in its price range in terms of robustness and accuracy. only three handguns that I believe are rightly priced, one is CZ-999 "Scorpion" and the second one Baikal MP-446 "Viking" and the third CF98. to add more, to me and Dr. Zakir only these three handguns have the highest benefit-cost ratio.

kindly allow me to add a few things, the manufacturer claims that the barrel life is a minimum 100K whereas a test piece even went up to 200K without any part failure. it is the only thoroughly tested clone in the world as most of the tests were conducted in the US. infact the results were so great that it also has licenced manufacturers such as South African Tressitu TZ-99 and the Israeli KSN Industries Golan. imagine that! licenses issued to manufacture clone of a clone.

as far the sight being bent a little is concerned, well.... the one's i've seen, all had the front sights a little to the left (from the shooter's perspective) from dead center. so I guess u'r sight probably isnt bent, its just a little bit to the left. but we shouldn't consider that as a flaw cause its front and rear sight both are dovetailed. which is awesome cause any gunsmith can easily align the both sights and we can also center our aim though drift adjustments made possible with this kind of setup.

still, if u dont like the sights, they are totally replaceable by standard Sig P226 sights or better yet u can install meprolite's adjustable night sights for Sig P226. which is a great feature for a clone. here, it simply beats Baikal hands down.

as far as the internals are concerned, I found the finishing to be quiet alright, alot better than Baikal and CF98. the slide rails looks solid and rugged. found the twisted wire type spring to be a little bit odd and weak. its barrel however speaks loud of quality and robustness. polished stainless steel barrel with absolutely no tooling marks (burrs). it has fully supported chromed lined chamber along with a feed ramp.

so overall a great buy indeed. have fun and safe shooting with ur new toy.

Regards.

Salahuddin Ayubi
08-11-2009, 12:06 PM
Please excuse my intrusion for deviating slightly from the topic, but, if it come down to deciding between a Stoeger Couger and the CZ999, which one would each of you prefer and why?

Question is directed towards those who have owned / used both of these.

Ali Akbar
08-11-2009, 12:26 PM
congrats abbas bhai on adding a new weopen to ur list

Denovo87
08-11-2009, 12:33 PM
Congratulations Abbas, now your recomended handgun list exceeded the total of licenses I am waiting for :)

MIdreesTaj
08-11-2009, 02:29 PM
NOTE: This is answer to Farhaan's querry from the thread "Need Giudance on Large frames vs Compacts and Sub-Compacts", as it includes pictures, I thought to add them in The CZ999 Skorpion Thread so that similar information stays together.



@ midreestaj: i have never seen cz999, is it chinese? what capacity it can fire and what about its magazine capacity?u own one?plz post some pics and specs abt it, need some info dude.


Personal thoughts:
I have pursuaded two of my friends in getting their first pistol as Zastava CZ 999 Scorpion. If by any chance I cancel my plan for a 308 rifle and go for a pistol.. without a second thought this is going to be my choice. Its a personal matter but to me a 226 design fits in my hand so well and its draw and point at target drill feels just so right. I feel confident with this design as it perfectly meshes up with my stance and hands, as well as mind.
I would also post a range report on this pistol as soon as I get a chance. Also, below CZ 999 belongs to one of my dearest friend, we got it for 48K from Gujranwala City Baig Sons GT road. I have personally fired a dozen rounds through it, and I managed to stay within 3 inches at 12+ yards. I still feel the need to test this weapon throroughly and very soon.

Pictures Below:
Well these pics were taken on the day 1 of this pistol as we brought it to my home, stripped it to verify its internals. Completely degreased it to dry condition, lubed it then and re-assembled it. (Please dont mention finger inside the trigger gaurd - I appologize in advance). Also, please note a little tool markings inside the slide internals, breech part of the barrel /on the locking cam and rear sight. This is justified by the price tag on it.
Regards.

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Hamid
08-11-2009, 02:30 PM
Congrats Abbas bai for the CZ999.

Slayerjatt
08-11-2009, 03:02 PM
excellent and highly informative comparison. very well done chief.(y)

Salahuddin Ayubi
08-11-2009, 04:30 PM
Nice pics Idrees. Thanks for sharing.

Topak
08-11-2009, 05:13 PM
congrats sir for new piece...hope it will serve you in long terms in compare to kanuni and stoeger.. ;)

Glockcohlic
08-11-2009, 07:33 PM
@Abbas

Congrats for the new purchase. Nice, well built gun and gud to read positive reviews.

Glockcohlic
08-11-2009, 07:40 PM
@Midreestag,

Nice gun and great pictures bro. But keeping a finger on the trigger while U R not intending to fire is some thing U shouldn't be doing as per safe gun keeping/handling goes (I hope it's not U holding the gun with ur finger on trigger)in the last pic.

We all need to read & adhere to all the safety measures regarding keeping and handling.

Safe Shooting

Sensei
08-11-2009, 07:51 PM
@Mr.Abbas congrats to you for new CZ 999 very beautiful gun
and extremely beautuful pics and wonderful review,Zabardust

@12 guage Sir,very very informative note from you really great

@midreestaj brother thank you for sharing another photo gallery
of CZ 999 and nice write up this is truly a CZ999 thread :cool:

12GAUGE
08-11-2009, 10:20 PM
Today(08/11/2009) me, Dr. Zakir and Moeen Bhai went to the range and thought since this season is the CZ-999 season so why not test the new toy.

here is the result:

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af103/12gauge-pakguns/Image1.jpg

Regards.

BERETTA M9 9mm
08-11-2009, 10:39 PM
Congrats Abbas bhai for the new purchase......................and awesome collection nice display...........great pics

SAJJAD ALI
09-11-2009, 12:22 AM
Mashallah abbas bhai nice pistol and also your collection

Dr Zakir
09-11-2009, 12:47 AM
CZ all the way . it is the best gun there is below 200k range .

Yardie Jutt
09-11-2009, 12:57 AM
hats off skipper very well done :)

Malik1
09-11-2009, 01:03 AM
Congrats for the new gun

Ilyas
09-11-2009, 01:14 AM
Congrats Abbas Bhai... nice gun for a reasonable price. Hope you like it more than the Caniks :)

SevenMagnum
09-11-2009, 11:14 AM
cz 999 are fine guns having well built structure and quality parts.

Aamar
09-11-2009, 12:13 PM
Nice one Abbas ....... great buy ...... :D

Salahuddin Ayubi
09-11-2009, 12:14 PM
Please excuse my intrusion for deviating slightly from the topic, but, if it comes down to deciding between a Stoeger Couger and the CZ999, which one would each of you prefer and why?

Question is directed towards those who have owned / used both of these.

Sensei
09-11-2009, 02:22 PM
Please excuse my intrusion for deviating slightly from the topic, but, if it comes down to deciding between a Stoeger Couger and the CZ999, which one would each of you prefer and why?

Question is directed towards those who have owned / used both of these.

Come on SA lets start a new thread ;)

BlackCloak
09-11-2009, 06:39 PM
Nice pics.... looks like a value for money proposition.

Any one has an idea of price and availability in Karachi?

Sensei
10-11-2009, 07:37 PM
Dear Blackcloak availability of this beauty in Karachi is not so confirmed but price is about 46k you may go though this link for more details

http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2381

PsiFactor
10-11-2009, 08:23 PM
This gun look like sig 226 and Np 22.

BlackCloak
10-11-2009, 10:38 PM
@ Sensei. Thanks buddy. Much appreciated

Sensei
10-11-2009, 10:56 PM
You most welcome :)

KageFox
10-11-2009, 11:51 PM
This gun look like sig 226 and Np 22.

The CZ999, in fact, borrows some features from the Sig P226, notably its grip curves and its decocker position, among others. The NP-22 is more or less a direct clone of the P226, with no changes I know of (other than being Chinese, of course :P)

akifjanjua
12-11-2009, 05:27 PM
CZ999 is one beauty :)

I need another license.. im getting addicted to guns :P

Salahuddin Ayubi
12-11-2009, 05:42 PM
CZ999 is one beauty :)

I need another license.. im getting addicted to guns :P

Welcome to the club.

Abu Al Hawl
12-11-2009, 06:14 PM
yar jab husb ki bat chale toh hum kion na shamil hon!!


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Starfish
12-11-2009, 07:23 PM
@AAH: sir shamil hoon bilkul shamil hooon :)
neeki aur pooch pooch!

Abu Al Hawl
12-11-2009, 08:11 PM
thanks for allowing gate crash!!! :lol:

Magnum
13-11-2009, 07:03 PM
Hi Everyone,

Good post Abbass bhai and some nice guns you've got in your armory !!!

I am a proud owner of this gun and i simply love it.....

As far as its spring is concerned, it has the same tripled spring as it is there in a sig 226.

Salahuddin Ayubi
13-11-2009, 07:36 PM
Does the absence of Manual Safety on CZ 999 bother anyone of its owners ?

DUST
15-11-2009, 05:11 AM
nice gun but i guess the chinese clones have a better decocker.althiugh it does win in finish better then chinese clones.plus the ergos on this gun really turn me off because of the left side controls.it makes the gun really irritating.apart than that a really nice gun.congrats.

12GAUGE
15-11-2009, 10:36 PM
Today (15/11/2009), me and Dr. Zakir gave the CZ-999 Scorpion another run for its money.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af103/12gauge-pakguns/Dsc00066.jpg

Regards.

9mm Luger
16-11-2009, 10:44 AM
congrats Abbas bhai on your wonderful purchase!

Glocky
16-11-2009, 12:02 PM
I'd prefer the chinese clones over the CZ. While the CZ does have a better finnish, they chinese clones are literally exact clones atleast of the earlier Sigs i.e. most of the parts are interchangeable to a certain extent. They are also equally accurate and are alot lighter in weight. The ambidextrous controls do make the CZ a little bulky and awkward.

Mitho
30-11-2009, 02:00 PM
does it have a loaded chamber indicator

Abu Al Hawl
30-11-2009, 02:03 PM
yes

takenleader
30-11-2009, 08:45 PM
Asak

Abbas bhai , Where is u r review of cz 999

Abbas
30-11-2009, 10:33 PM
Range is closed, no range review.

Bilz111
04-12-2009, 03:45 PM
great collection!congrats on the new purchase...

357 magnum
15-12-2009, 08:37 PM
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Yalghari
15-12-2009, 10:32 PM
congrats buddy lovely pistol

Gilani
15-12-2009, 10:48 PM
This is one very reliable gun. Congrats Sir.

Abbas
31-01-2010, 08:16 PM
Thank you everyone. I have had the opportunity to test the CZ999 to my satisfaction. Fired about 300 rounds in two sessions of 150 each with different ammo without cleaning. No issues or jams.

In the 300 round test I noticed a few things, point wise might make is easier to me to remember.

1). The recoil is surprising. It's has the least recoil of almost any 9mm that I've ever used. The Zigana sport has the same low recoil but that is a range gun and also has ported everything.

2). It is extremely accurate. Right out of the box I was hitting bull's at 15 M. Infact my first and second shots both were bulls, and so centered that it did not even touch the small circle line. I was joking with Munir sahib that after those shots I should just pack up and go home because that would be hard to outdo. This is one of those guns that you can't blame if you aren't hitting your target, the error is of the shooter, the gun itself is perfect.

3). Rapid fire is very accurate as the barrel does not lift much. If I hit one bull I was sure if I fired 10 more shots in fast succession it would not land in anything except 9 or at the max 8.

4). The gun cycles all kind of ammo correctly. I used three variety of Chinese rounds, 4 varieties of Russian rounds and Armscor FMJ's. All 8 types of ammo worked perfectly.

5). The decocker is very useful, works great. However loading a single round into the barrel manually is not possible like the Beretta 92/ Taurus 92/99. Manual loading won't work, the round has to be loaded from the magazine or the slide won't close properly.

6). The magazines although "cheapish" in quality work fine.

7). The trigger reset is a little late, I would have preferred it if it was a little deep for a quicker reset.

8). There were also some concerns that the pieces imported by G.M Dossal were of cheap quality and the frame paint wears off completely while cleaning. This is not the case with my piece which I almost dunked in Hoppes No:9 powder solvent to test. The problem mainly lies with weapons bearing the serial number in 7000's. The 8000 series which is the one I have is fine.


Here is a 10 M target from today range session with the CZ999. Anything that wasn't in the dead center was simply shooter error.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/CZtarget.jpg

Final Verdict: I am simply in love with this pistol. I really enjoyed shooting it and will keep this as my carry piece for a long time to come. I like it so much I'm thinking of getting another one ! :cool:

Ka_Khan
31-01-2010, 09:06 PM
Great review Abbas.It seems you have fired from 1 meter :)
Have seen it 'live' at the Narowal shooting field.Was superb in rapid action.I was so much in Love with this beauty that the first thing in Peshawar i did was to check it in market.Here it is around 48000.
Pistol is little heavy thus almost no recoil.Taurus (Senior member from Karachi)was also happy with its recoil and i know it is first thing on his shopping list.

Malik1
31-01-2010, 09:13 PM
Very comprehensive reports, both, this and earlier one. I only found few more (like Gilani,s report) as comprehensive as is this one. Indeed very well written, covering almost all aspects and leaving few things to question. Probably the report could be used in advertisement by CZ :)

Not forgetting to mention good shooting Abbas :) .

I must also say that the way this report has been written it gives ample opportunity to make up some ones mind to buy this or go for another weapon. We all should try following the pattern rather than what we do

Abbas
31-01-2010, 09:33 PM
Thanks, today was a good shooting day I guess. Normally I don't score targets as I only keep them long enough to share with you guys but wanted to see how the CZ stood up to the same shooter firing a Glock 17 and also compare it to earlier scores with some of my other favorite pistols such as the Canik and the NZ85. Here is the CZ followed by Glock and then Canik score. They would have painted a more accurate picture if the same number of rounds were fired but none the less this should give you guys an idea.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Score1_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/Score2_resize.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/PiranhaB.jpg

A.Abbas
31-01-2010, 10:16 PM
Thats really comprehensive review. :)

Gilani
01-02-2010, 10:16 AM
Very comprehensive and informative review Abbas Sahib, really enjoyed reading it. :). And excellent shooting too.

Its very heartening to note that CZ 999 is damn accurate out of the box. A very solid gun indeed. I am now desperate to reach the range ASAP and fire a couple of hundred rounds from my CZ 999 :)

Taurus
01-02-2010, 05:17 PM
@ka_khan:-+ 1 ,Bro its on my shopping list from ages as now after its excellent range report i am also planning to get 2 pieces of it with excellent price this weapon is worth of Rs.120 k its a much better pistol than sigma ...i am really in love with this pistol soon i am going to get this pistol...very nice range report..

Sohail Waheed
01-02-2010, 05:23 PM
I am also considering to buy this as Abbas bhai personally recommended me on yesterday's range visit.

Slayerjatt
01-02-2010, 06:51 PM
i saw chief's target in person and was seriously surprized to see the accuracy of the pistol. only 25 rounds were fired through this pistol prior to this session and that makes it more enviable. very nice review chief.

Manj
01-02-2010, 07:21 PM
great shooting chief and very informative review.

Gilani
05-02-2010, 06:44 PM
First thought of creating a new thread for my range report. But Abbas sahib has so comprehensively covered various aspect of CZ 999 Scorpion in this thread along with complementing pics that I decided to add my bit also in the same thread so that its easy for other members to acquire information about this handgun in one thread. I will try not to repeat what Abbas sahib or others have already mentioned. :)

First the gun specs………….
Caliber: 9 mm Parabellum
Barrel Length: 108 mm
Length: 198 mm
Height: 140 mm
Width: 34 mm
Weight: 840 gm, 1114 gm with loaded magazine.
Trigger Pull: DA….. 4,5 daN, SA…… 2 daN
Barrel Life: 200,000 rounds (as claimed by Zastava Arms)
Mag Cap: 15
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5174.jpg

It’s a very solid gun with a steel frame and slide. As already mentioned by Abbas sahib, all parts are very finely machined. Here are few pics
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5296.jpg
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In last few days, fired around 300 rounds from the gun which included Chinese Blue Box, POF1Z and POF2Z. Bulk of the ammo fired, however, has been 2Z. CZ999 is a very accurate gun as you can see in the results. The bullets going astray are my fault. When you aim well and do the trigger work right, its normally a bull.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5312.jpg
This is the result from 15 M, 20 rounds POF2Z. The target is standard 2 inch diameter bull and 1 inch distance from one circle to other subsequently. See a number of bullets passing through one point and making a large hole on the left of bull. Those hitting below is bad trigger control (flinching)


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5310.jpg
Another 20 rounds of same ammo, fired from same distance.


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Rapid Fire from 25 M, 18 rounds of Chinese Blue Box


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5263-1.jpg
Another attempt from 25 m with POF2Z ammo. Tgt has a bull of 4 cm diameter (1.6 inches) and line to line distance is 2 cm (0.8 inches)

Observations
- There has not been a single stoppage in first 300 rounds. It ate every thing flawlessly
- CZ999 has a very mild recoil, one of the best that I have seen.
- The gun is damn accurate as you can see in the results. Bullets going away are my fault :(
- Trigger is ok, but not outstanding at the moment. It may further improve when I reach 1000 rounds with this gun. Trigger of CF98 greatly improved after roughly 1000 rounds.
- Very easy to field strip and equally simple to assemble. You cant go wrong with it.
- Though I have been carrying it in the shoulder holster and denovo sahib could not make out that I am carrying a gun when I visited him, its not an ideal gun for carry. Too heavy.
- The magazine, though looks cheapish, is quite solid in my view. I stripped it and found the parts well made, far better than Chinese magazines.
- I have so far not faced any issues with this handgun except that its a bit heavy. But that all solidly made guns are I believe :)

Conclusion
Its a quality gun indeed and will last you life time I believe. We are getting it cheap in Pakistan because of certain import issues which you all know, otherwise by no means its less than any 500-700 $ handgun that you see on the internet. :)

regards

Vik
05-02-2010, 07:34 PM
great review. bus abb "Z" ke tareef na kare. Dealer isko 60k karde gee.
peace
excellent pics.

Anthrax
05-02-2010, 07:45 PM
Awesome review and range report Gilani Saab! That's the way to go!

Gilani
05-02-2010, 07:47 PM
@vik
@Anthrax
Thanks bro :)

Denovo87
05-02-2010, 07:51 PM
Gilani bro, A very well written review and excellent target results, this CZ beauty is the one I will be adding to my collection on very next purchase.
And smart knives by the way :)

Gilani
05-02-2010, 07:56 PM
Thanks denove sahib. You will be adding a very reliable gun to your already marvelous collection, I can assure you. :)
regards

Malik1
05-02-2010, 08:18 PM
Sorry Abbas Sahib, I am commenting on Gilani,s report in your thread.


Gilani, Good report and good shooting. I,ve always been an admirer of your comprehensive works and calls (In bridge). Having said that I,ve one observation i.e. Your MPI (Mean Point of Impact - This is for some of the readers not for you) for all the shootings was either on left or slightly below but still influencing left :)

Congrats for this weapon, I didn,t know that you have already bought it. I thought you had plans. When did you buy it, where from and for how much? :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
05-02-2010, 08:31 PM
Nice review and writeup Gilani Sb. Congratulations on your purchase.

Gilani
05-02-2010, 09:02 PM
Malik1 and SA Sir, thanks a lot :)

Gilani
05-02-2010, 10:27 PM
Your MPI (Mean Point of Impact - This is for some of the readers not for you) for all the shootings was either on left or slightly below but still influencing left :)

Sir your observation is correct. In my view there could be two reasons for it. One, bad trigger control, ie, pressing the trigger a little hard (this is for shooting below). For shooting consistently on the left, I think again bad trigger control. Too much of finger on the trigger, ie, instead of pressing the trigger with distal pad, I think I am still pressing it with the first joint unintentionally.

Now you can conveniently ask that if I knew all this than why didn't I correct myself :rolleyes:. Well sir, if it was that easy to become a good shooter after just reading theory than most of us would have been Skeeter60. :D
However, I am trying to improve :)
regards

Denovo87
05-02-2010, 11:00 PM
To my opinion rght handed & right eye dominant shooters have tendency to shoot tad left, I will suggest Gilani bro to try shooting left handed just to bust/confirm this phenomena :) if he already is not a lefty ;)

Gilani
05-02-2010, 11:03 PM
Sir, I am a righty, however, I will give it a try :). The problem in my view still lies with trigger control and I am working on improving it

Gilani
05-02-2010, 11:44 PM
I,ve always been an admirer of your comprehensive works and calls (In bridge).

That was 18 years ago, Sir :), not much of bridge now. How is that going at your end :)

Abbas
06-02-2010, 12:28 AM
Sorry Abbas Sahib, I am commenting on Gilani,s report in your thread.



Dear Malik1, your comments are most welcome, this thread is for all comments about CZ999. I appreicate the fact that Gilani sahib also added his review here. It makes it easier for our friends interested in this pistol to find all our opnions/reviews at one place.

@Gilani Good review and Great shooting at 25 M.

Gilani
06-02-2010, 12:34 AM
Thanks a lot Abbas Sahib :)

MIdreesTaj
07-02-2010, 08:29 AM
@Abbas, gr8 shooting brother... what a charm you put up with your 999, all 10 and 9 rings..how come not a single flyer? either you shoot alot or had a warm up session before.. and I do agree with you to have it as carry gun... It does fullfill all the roles and requirements of this job

@Gilani bro you second abbas to place the verdict of performance and reliability of this top notch gun. I agree with a former post somewhere by Taurus that this is definitely a 100k+ semi-auto. Your 2nd target pic is impressive, except the 3 flyers.. I must say you shot better on 25 yard than you shot at 20 yard... Just my opinion , first a little warm up, 2-3 targts holed and then come up with a serious shoot!

How about any of you put up a bench rest report on this gun? let us see how it performs from bench rest.. 15 and 25 yard both.. anyway it was gr8 gr8 shooting..

MIdreesTaj
07-02-2010, 08:38 AM
One, bad trigger control, ie, pressing the trigger a little hard (this is for shooting below). For shooting consistently on the left, I think again bad trigger control.

I agree with you Gilani, for all of us, sure. Trigger Trigger Trigger!
Only if one is good at trigger can blame any of the other aspects that result in dispersed shots i.e breathing, hold, stance, movement etc and the last gun itself.


To my opinion rght handed & right eye dominant shooters have tendency to shoot tad left, I will suggest Gilani bro to try shooting left handed just to bust/confirm this phenomena if he already is not a lefty
Denovo how about with both eyes opened? the problem you mentioned will occur I think when one has both eyes opened with him being right handed and left eye dominant or vice versa

Gilani
07-02-2010, 09:43 AM
Idrees sahib, thanks for the comments. I will try firing using a bench today. :)

I agree, trigger control is the thing to work on. By the way, some excellent shooting tips have been given by Skeeter60 sahib and Steven Cline in the Competitive Shooting thread in Club House Sec.

regards

KageFox
07-02-2010, 11:14 AM
COngrats Gillani Sahib, on your purchase! Excellent pics!

Great knives, too :D Would you mind telling where you got the fixed blade from and for what price?

Gilani
07-02-2010, 01:33 PM
COngrats Gillani Sahib, on your purchase! Excellent pics!

Great knives, too :D Would you mind telling where you got the fixed blade from and for what price?
Sorry KageFox bro, dont exactly remember. Probably it was around 3 K and a friend of mine brought it from Peshawar last year. Its a very good quality Italian blue steel. I normally use it to cut branches etc during my fishing trips and it cuts them like butter. :)

regards

Gilani
07-02-2010, 02:02 PM
Idrees sahib, here are the pics of today's range session. :)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5337.jpg
Distance 15 M, Ammo POF 2Z, 10 rounds. Target is standard 2 inch bull and 1 inch distance between subsequent lines.
Fired with my elbows resting on a chair (couldn't find a bench on the range :)), though found the position quite uncomfortable to fire. However, the result was not bad.




http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5339.jpg
Distance 25 M, Ammo POF2Z, 10 rounds. Increased the distance to 25 M and fired on the same target. Bullets fired from 15 M are encircled in the blue.
Again, elbows resting on the chair. Surprisingly, except two rounds (both landed in 6 point circle, one of top left, the other on bottom right), all other rounds landed well. Please see the big elongated hole on the top of letter T.




http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5352.jpg
Deliberate fire while standing using both hands. Distance 25 M, Ammo POF2Z, 10 rounds. Inner black bull is 4cm diameter (1.6 iches) and subsequent lines are 2 cm (0.8 inches apart). Result is not very good. Probably I was a bit tired also having fired more than 100 rounds and as it happens, best fire is in the first few times only :)




http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5354.jpg
Same distance, style and ammo. Fired another 10 rounds. Previous rounds are encircled in blue. This time the fire was better and five bullets hitting inside the inner circle including one bullet in the center of small bull :)

Final conclusion, CZ999 is very accurate from 25 M also and its a pleasure shooting with this gun. I love it :cool: Whenever my trigger control was good, rounds landed in ten, nine or eight which I think is not bad from 25 M. The bullets going astray (but still landing in 6 or 5) is my fault. :)

regards

MIdreesTaj
07-02-2010, 02:56 PM
@Gilani brother i now very much think CZ999 is no less accurate than PT99. It is only that a longer sighting radius delivers less variance in POI with understandable movement in offhand shooting.
I appreciate your quick response..
Much regards

Gilani
07-02-2010, 05:19 PM
@Gilani brother i now very much think CZ999 is no less accurate than PT99. It is only that a longer sighting radius delivers less variance in POI with understandable movement in offhand shooting.
I appreciate your quick response..
Much regards
Thanks Idrees sahib. I my personal view, which I have expressed earlier in this thread also, CZ999 was better when fired NIB. It is the advantage of adjustable sights of PT99 that gave it an edge later. Overall, I still feel more comfortable firing with CZ999 :)

Sensei
07-02-2010, 06:40 PM
Damn I have just missed this thread Gilani Sahib actually this thread is created by Abbas the (Admin) I could not even think that you will include your so wonderful reviews right here it supposed be include in a fresh thread but anyway its also very fine because here every thing is about CZ999, I am very glad
to read your wonderful writeup and nice pics so well done bhaihttp://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-cute-smileys-271.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Innocent-Smileys/)

Shariq
07-02-2010, 07:13 PM
@Gilani
Nice shooting. Good to see that you use POF 2Z ammo too. Its a fine round for target practise.

Gilani
07-02-2010, 07:22 PM
Sensei bro, thanks for the comments. I included my review in Abbas Sahib's thread because I thought it would be convenient for the members to see everything about CZ999 in one thread.

And seriously, you seem to have an excellent eye for selecting smilies. Now I am waiting for your posts, just to see another appropriately selected smilie :) Thanks a lot bro

Gilani
07-02-2010, 07:24 PM
Shariq Sahib, thanks for your comments. Yes, I use POF2Z quite often and no doubt its a reasonably good and easily available round for target practice :)
regards

Naveed_pk
08-02-2010, 12:29 PM
Awesome review and range report Gilani Saab! Excellent write up... and beautiful pics... :)

Gilani
08-02-2010, 05:07 PM
Thanks Naveed sahib :) By the way, a very nice new avatar ;)

Naveed_pk
08-02-2010, 06:28 PM
thanks a lot Gilani bro :)

Alvi
09-02-2010, 03:06 PM
Good .. the findings just made me more confident about the CZ that I so proudly possess now :)

Abbas
10-02-2010, 03:35 AM
@midreestaj Thank you, I think Gilani and I should make the CZ999 fan club of Pakistan :)

Posting today's target in this thread as well as competitive shooting one for record so future members and guests can see what this pistol can do consistently and with different users.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/AbbasMalik/cz999new.jpg

HasanJamshad
10-02-2010, 12:57 PM
CZ999 seems realy great pistol and offers great value. Thank god we have something nice and fairly priced gun in our market. So, now CZ is going to dethrone many favourite budget guns like Taurus PT92/99, Baikal 446 and Stoeger Cougar.

Comprehensive reviews by Abbas Bhai and Gilani sahib. Both are of the same opinion and are all in praise for the gun. This is enough for me to get convinced that the gun is realy great.

Something about the accuracy of the gun. Hope i will get away with my skepticism about the NIB accuracy of this gun. Sir, anything that flys out of the black at 15M cannot be put in the account of the gun. Accuracy of the firearm or the ammo is measured by the size of the group fired through the gun. If we want to compare a group of 7" with another group of 5 1/2" at 15M, in my opinion we must be short of data to draw conclusions. The only thing we can say is that shooter is more comfortable shooting gun that is with smaller cluster.

Gilani
10-02-2010, 03:43 PM
Abbas sahib, great shooting again. Very impressive :). What was the distance and ammo?

Hassan Jamshed sahib, I agree. Those that fly out are mostly firer's fault and not the inconsistency of the gun. The pattern of the complete group must be kept in mind :).

regards

Gilani
10-02-2010, 05:16 PM
Abbas sahib, read the distance in Competitive shooting thread, thanks :)

Gilani
12-02-2010, 06:11 PM
Though I normally dont fire a handgun from 50 M but just to check the long distance performance of CZ999 Scorpion, conducted todays practice from 50 Meters http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0075.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-tongue-smileys.php). Let me tell you, focusing on target from 50 M is not really a pleasure and requires some amount of concentration. The results, however, were not disappointing at all. Guys, this gun can sure hit within a 16 cm (6.4 inch) radius circle from 50 meters. http://www.gashing.com/smile/cool/cool0044.gif (http://www.squidoo.com/scuba-diving-guide)

Here are few pics .............

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5402.jpg
Distance 50 M, Ammo POF2Z. Target is 16 cm (6.4 inch) radius. Inner black bull is 4 cm (1.6 inches) diameter and each subsequent line is 2 cm (0.8 inches) apart. Area upto shaded circle is 6 cm (2.4 inches) in radius. The bullets encircled in red have been fired with Taurus PT99 where as bullets without a circle have been fired from CZ999 Scorpion. You can see 2 bullets of CZ999 hitting inside 6 cm circle and only one bullet hitting outside the 16 cm (6.4 inches) circle. One bullet missed the target completely which certainly is my fault. This result was quite satisfying.



http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5403.jpg
Same target. Pic taken from a different angle. You can see 2 bullets in the 6 cm circle.




http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5408.jpg
Distance 25 M, Ammo POF 2Z. You can see 10 bullets hitting the 6 cm (2.4 inches) circle. None of the bullets going outside 14cm (5.6 inches) circle.





http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN5409.jpg
Same target. Pics taken from a different angle. You can see 10 bullets inside 6 cm (2.4 inches) circle.

As I fire more and more with this handgun, the trigger is improving and so is accuracy. A pleasure shooting with it. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0020.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-tongue-smileys.php)

TT-33
12-02-2010, 08:54 PM
dear friends, i hav also changed my taurus pt 909 pistol with cz 999.

Gilani
12-02-2010, 11:14 PM
TT-33 bro, thats a good decision. You wont repent it, I can assure you :)

Ilyas
12-02-2010, 11:43 PM
Gilani Bhai... thanks for sharing a very nice range report. No doubt, if CZ999 fits someone's hand well,
it's a definite keeper.

Gilani
13-02-2010, 03:23 PM
Ilyas sahib, thanks for the commetns :)

Naveed_pk
13-02-2010, 03:29 PM
Gilani bro .. Very nice report .. thanks for sharing :)

Sensei
13-02-2010, 04:17 PM
@Gilani brother the way you repoting is simply fantastic and quite easy to understand very nice sharing great job Sir,
http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0031.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-happy-smileys.php) http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0031.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-happy-smileys.php) http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0031.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-happy-smileys.php)

Gilani
14-02-2010, 07:56 PM
Naveed, Sensei bros, thanks a lot :)

Abbas
19-02-2010, 10:01 PM
Although most of us shoot decently well I was doing a search online for just how accurate the 999 is and can it be used for use in light competitions etc. I found someone's target shot at 25 M. Very impressive, at this level of accuracy it can be used for professional competitions.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t194/screwthepap3/CZ999_03.jpg

Zaheer
19-02-2010, 10:12 PM
Wow

Gilani
20-02-2010, 12:48 AM
Abbas sahib, this is excellent accuracy. Thanks for sharing. As for the use of CZ999 as a competition gun, I think it would perform better than many other guns available in Pakistan at this moment and every time I fire with it, I get more and more convinced on this fact. However, it essentially remains a combat gun and that is where the strength and versatility of CZ999 lies. :)
regards

haider5
05-03-2010, 01:24 AM
price?

Salahuddin Ayubi
05-03-2010, 03:42 PM
That is accurate shooting.

Madness
13-04-2010, 03:57 PM
Can someon guide me for the price of CZ999 in Islamabad? I have checked it i Peshawar Gul Haji plaza and the vendor told me its for 50 K. As I am new to this forum and this will be my first gun I would really like advise on this and idea about the price..........is 50K the current price for this peice?

Abu Al Hawl
13-04-2010, 06:28 PM
some months back i picked it up for 47k, as of now 50k seems ok to me, you can still try to bring it down.

Aquarius
13-04-2010, 08:59 PM
@Madness: Brother Gul Haji Plaza guys are very much expensive.. If you get another chance of coming over to Peshawar, check Fakhr e Alam main GT road.. Last week I checked it was for 48K. Still the price can be lowered to 46K after bargaining...... :)

Gilani
14-04-2010, 12:41 AM
Madness bhai, CZ999 is still available with PARA, Lahore, in 45-46 K. :)

Madness
14-04-2010, 01:31 PM
OK gr8. Thanks to all of you for your guidance on price...................can some body tell me if I can get it in any other colour? other than black?.............n what addtional accessories are available for it..............n do you know any shop in Isamabad? as I am based in Islamabad...........a contact number will really help

EF KAY
14-04-2010, 02:03 PM
great reviews regarding scorpion... thanks to all...

you people made my mind for this guns instead of CF98...

just waiting for my MOI ..... Then i'll decide what to purchase (PT92 or CZ999)

best wishes for all PG members :)

Madness
14-04-2010, 02:07 PM
Dear EF KAY.............my contact told me that MOI licences will be opened from 1st of May................Do you have any idea when they will be opened?

Salahuddin Ayubi
14-04-2010, 02:10 PM
great reviews regarding scorpion... thanks to all...

you people made my mind for this guns instead of CF98...

just waiting for my MOI ..... Then i'll decide what to purchase (PT92 or CZ999)

best wishes for all PG members :)


If its a PT92, and provided you get the MOI in time, then there's a beautiful deal waiting for you with Sq Ldr Shariq. Check out his thread in Market Place.

Ilyas
14-04-2010, 02:16 PM
OK gr8. Thanks to all of you for your guidance on price...................can some body tell me if I can get it in any other colour? other than black?.............n what addtional accessories are available for it..............n do you know any shop in Isamabad? as I am based in Islamabad...........a contact number will really help

About the shop, some Islamabad member will help you out or you can search the Dealers Section. Regarding the color and other available accessories... it's only available in black and since there is no rail on CZ999, I doubt there can be any accessories for it either, except for a chinese laser that can be fixed onto it's trigger guard. However, I'm not sure about the availability of that, in Islamabad.

EF KAY
14-04-2010, 02:30 PM
great reviews regarding scorpion... thanks to all...

you people made my mind for this guns instead of CF98...

just waiting for my MOI ..... Then i'll decide what to purchase (PT92 or CZ999)

best wishes for all PG members :)


If its a PT92, and provided you get the MOI in time, then there's a beautiful deal waiting for you with Sq Ldr Shariq. Check out his thread in Market Place.

SA bro i already checked it earlier. Keeping eye on it and desperately waiting to get my MOI :/
i didnt inquire it yet only bcoz of this :( i hope i'll get tht beauty ... bcoz it seems like that piece have all safeties including L-key lock at grip...
Thanks to remind me :) [that is why i like PG and getting addicted day by day]

@madness: boss last i heard that they will entertain new applications officially after 10th of April but dont know the current status as there is no news of ban lifting yet...

Abu Al Hawl
14-04-2010, 02:32 PM
OK gr8. Thanks to all of you for your guidance on price...................can some body tell me if I can get it in any other colour? other than black?.............n what addtional accessories are available for it..............n do you know any shop in Isamabad? as I am based in Islamabad...........a contact number will really help

yes you can get it any any color; Pink, White, Red, Yellow, Green and lot :mad: kiya ho gaya hai ap ko yara, thiis the special forces weapons only comes in black, cz999 is purely a CqC weapon and it can not carry any accessory!

now go and buy it immediately.

Salahuddin Ayubi
14-04-2010, 02:38 PM
Easy bro Hawl.

Pre-August 09, I didn't even know that there existed a PT92 or PT145 or for that matter there was a company named Taurus Forjas manufacturing guns. Madness will also learn from PakGuns in due time.

ay_be_why
14-04-2010, 02:49 PM
yes you can get it any any color; Pink, White, Red, Yellow, Green and lot :mad:...

That would be a treat to see, 999 with a pink slide on a white frame :D
Just kidding sir. Before PakGuns, there WAS a time when I thought short barreled revolvers were called TT's :( (because TT sounds kinda cute and cuddly). Madness will learn too. :)

Madness
14-04-2010, 03:34 PM
I just wanted to know if its available in silver (crome) colour or not.............By the way Abu Al Hawl bro with respect..................If i find any pink, red, or yellow pistol ever I will give that to you as a gift:)...............

Madness
14-04-2010, 03:35 PM
Is there any member from Islamabad/rawalpindi who can guide me to a reliable dealer..............I am looking for a dealerwho can also give me helpin getting a MOI licence...............I will really appritiate help in this regard

Abu Al Hawl
14-04-2010, 05:24 PM
Madness bro that was not to offense or to discourage you, i was kidding, you will learn here that most of the time i behave like this only!! ok coming to the point 999 is only availabel in black, i wish we could get it in 2tone.

Gilani
14-04-2010, 09:06 PM
This is what I shot with my CZ999 today :cool:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Guns/DSCN6013.jpg

Abu Al Hawl
14-04-2010, 09:16 PM
tussi chaa gai Gilani brader

Gilani
15-04-2010, 07:49 AM
Abu Al Hawl bhai, thanks a lot :)

Aquarius
15-04-2010, 02:29 PM
Very accurate gun indeed..nice shooting Sir Gilani.... :)

Madness
15-04-2010, 07:20 PM
Dear All, thx for the help.........N i really apperitiate the information available on this web site...........I have checked many dealers in Peshawar, Rawalpindi, Islamabad and Lahore..............N I am glad to inform you all that the best lowest prices are offered by PARA Lahore for cz999, np22 and Hp77b and they are also the only dealers who has all these guns available with them others may have one of these and not all.............these ar the guns I am interested in.........I know most of you senior members might be aware of this...........I am just posting it for new members like myself............

Gilani
15-04-2010, 11:08 PM
Aquarius, thanks a ton brother. :)


Madness bhai, all good wishes for you new purchase. Happy and safe shooting. :)

ACHILLES
15-04-2010, 11:14 PM
This is what I shot with my CZ999 today :cool:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/DSCN6013.jpg


Did you shot this target rapidly or slow and gun was rested on support or offhand?

Gilani
15-04-2010, 11:26 PM
Achilles, brother this was deliberate fire with both hands (no support), standing at 20 M from the target.

ACHILLES
15-04-2010, 11:36 PM
Prime Minister Sahib oooups sorry Gilani sahib :) i think if you use some sort of solid rest we can have better idea of the gun accuracy potential . I think this gun is potentially more accurate with less human error.

Gilani
15-04-2010, 11:51 PM
Achilles bhai, please see page 1 of Handgun Accuracy Thread for test results of CZ999 Scorpion :)

ACHILLES
16-04-2010, 12:11 AM
well i was intrested in actual target shot from the rest by you as i do not have the gun so we might get better idea of the gun accuracy. ( hope u did not mind my conversation. as want to xplore the weapon with your experience).

Gilani
16-04-2010, 12:21 AM
Brother, as I said please see page 1 of Handgun Accuracy Thread for the actual test results of CZ 999. Or just follow the link given below

http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4252

Mitho
19-04-2010, 12:45 PM
whats the current price of cz999 in karachi market?.
i was qouted 55 k by poineer lucky star.while our markrt place has it fro 43k.
can anyone guide me to any dealer selling it for less than 50k?
second how would u compare zastava with hp77b?
P.S looks and finishing dont matter.

Madness
19-04-2010, 03:58 PM
Mithu Bro, only PARA in lahore is selling it below 50 K i.e. 46 K. I don;t know about Karachi but all other dealers in Lahore, Isb/rwp and Karachi are selling it 50 K or aroun 55 K

Salahuddin Ayubi
19-04-2010, 07:58 PM
Mitho,

Based on my experience, KHI prices are generally 5 to 10k higher than LHR's prices.

Aquarius
19-04-2010, 08:42 PM
In Peshawar its price is 45K & still it could be decreased after bargaining... much price difference than Karachi.. :)

Gilani
19-04-2010, 09:40 PM
............second how would u compare zastava with hp77b?
P.S looks and finishing dont matter.
Mitho bhai, in my personal view there is no comparison between the two. CZ999 is far superior to HP77B (both in quality of manufacture as well as accuracy). HP77B however can be compared with NP22 (which is more or less the same handgun) but not with CZ999. Happy buying :)

Mitho
20-04-2010, 12:20 AM
@gillani
2maddness
@SA
@aquarius
thank u all.

oumayer
23-04-2010, 03:45 AM
Lovely reviews by the members. congrats to all the owners.

This seems to be the best value for money HG in Pakistan from the reviews.

I was personally hell bent on the SC 8000, and now have changed my mind.

Definitely going for this CZ999 Skorpion. Thanks to the useful reviews here by the members and owners.

I'll soon post pics of mine when I purchase it.

Madness
23-04-2010, 11:00 AM
Aquarius Bro can you tell me which shop in Peshawar it is for 45K? and how much they might reduce after Bargain? can you give me a refrence?..............you may contact me at my yahoo id which is kjkhan2000@yahoo.co.uk

Aquarius
23-04-2010, 12:01 PM
Aquarius Bro can you tell me which shop in Peshawar it is for 45K? and how much they might reduce after Bargain? can you give me a refrence?..............you may contact me at my yahoo id which is kjkhan2000@yahoo.co.uk

I will contact you........ :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
23-04-2010, 12:02 PM
42k for CZ999 is a very very reasonable price.

Nabeel
23-04-2010, 03:08 PM
I bought it for 41K :D

Thanks to Naveed Bhai

iffe
23-04-2010, 04:04 PM
congrats nabeel bhai

plz post some pics

Kamranwali
23-04-2010, 07:00 PM
hey guys, I really dont remember which thread, but i read somewhere on PG that there r certain cz999's that have a problem that the paint from their frames wears out. Some serial numbers too, if i remember correctly. Please correct me if i'm wrong, if not the serial numbers would help.

regards.

12GAUGE
23-04-2010, 07:40 PM
hey guys, I really dont remember which thread, but i read somewhere on PG that there r certain cz999's that have a problem that the paint from their frames wears out. Some serial numbers too, if i remember correctly. Please correct me if i'm wrong, if not the serial numbers would help.

regards.

well, its got nothing to do with the serial numbers. actually, the paint on the frames on a typical CZ999 is not that tough. any strong solvent can easily dissolve it. but then again, its probably not the CZ999 scorpion's fault, its typical with aluminum frame handguns.

Regards.

MKKD
24-04-2010, 01:07 AM
So is it a general CZ999 problem?

12GUAGE: Do you know what causes the paint to fade... besides strong solvents? Is it general usage, carrying in a holster?

Gilani
24-04-2010, 01:41 AM
Brother MKKD, it's not a general CZ999 problem. As 12guage explained, it is a general alloy frame problem which happens even in the high end guns. :)

MKKD
24-04-2010, 02:13 AM
OK... thats fair enough then Gilani saab :)

Bhatti
24-04-2010, 11:50 AM
@ nabeel can u plz tell from where u bought it in 41k. i m interested to buy 1 too.

iffe
24-04-2010, 02:34 PM
41k is extra odinary price

@nabeel bro
this price is NIB?

Nabeel
24-04-2010, 04:33 PM
@ Bhatti

Sir I got it from PARA Lahore with the help of Naveed Bhai.

@ iffe

Yup its NIB

Rotorcrafts
24-04-2010, 04:46 PM
Chah gaye bhy Nabeel.

Gilani
24-04-2010, 04:48 PM
Congrats Nabeel. You have got one of the best handguns available in the market in <100k range. You would fully realise this thing after firing CZ999. Best of luck brother :)

Nabeel
24-04-2010, 05:03 PM
@ Gilani

Thanks Sir

Aquarius
24-04-2010, 05:08 PM
Heartiest congratulations Nabeel bro on your excellent purchase....... :)

Naveed_pk
24-04-2010, 05:18 PM
I bought it for 41K :D

Thanks to Naveed Bhai

Always welcome Nabeel bro :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
24-04-2010, 05:19 PM
One cannot speak / write enough about our brother Naveed_pk's hospitality, selflessness and spirit of brotherhood. He's simply a GREAT GUY.

Gilani
24-04-2010, 05:22 PM
One cannot speak / write enough about our brother Naveed_pk's hospitality, selflessness and spirit of brotherhood. He's simply a GREAT GUY.
++1 SA sahib. I have fully enjoyed this hospitality too and would always remain grateful to Naveed sahib for that. :)

Naveed_pk
24-04-2010, 05:29 PM
SA Bro Thaks a lot for ure Kind words :) .. You all guyz are Rocking. The way we treat each other is Speechless .. Hope this brotherhood grow in our hearts more and more :)
@ Gilani Sir , Plz that was nothing .. It was really an honour to meet u in personal .. Hope u will give me another chance .... :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
24-04-2010, 05:30 PM
Amen bro.

Gilani
24-04-2010, 05:40 PM
Very well said Naveed bro :)

Bhatti
25-04-2010, 12:14 PM
Naveed bro can u help me in getting one in same price.

Gilani
25-04-2010, 04:51 PM
Fired two magazines with my CZ today. What a handgun. From 15M, if a firer does not falter, it keeps hitting the same spot again and again, making a large size hole like this one................ :) For a handgun with 108 MM barrel, this is amazing accuracy. Zastava Arms' claim of using a very high quality barrel is indeed true, just no doubt about.


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/sualeh/Bullseye%20Shooting/DSCN6033.jpg

Faheem
25-04-2010, 05:26 PM
Gilani bahi this is really impressive Balkey very very impressive.. Nice shooting and obvioulsy great handgun.....

Mangloo Ramzani
25-04-2010, 05:40 PM
Congrats Nabeel. You have got one of the best handguns available in the market in <100k range. You would fully realise this thing after firing CZ999. Best of luck brother :)

May I interupt and add, 'Later you would entirely realise this after firing a SIG 226'! :D

I did that a week before, and the feel of the gun(CZ999) in general and the trigger in particular is so close to the original(SIG 226)! Which ofcourse is a class in its class! :o :o :D

12GAUGE
25-04-2010, 05:46 PM
@Gilani

good shooting Sir.

Regards.

Gilani
25-04-2010, 05:52 PM
12guage Sir, more than me, it's the gun. Let me tell you, leaving aside match grade pistols, it's not that easy to hit the same spot again and again, even from 15M. Zastava Arms claim that CZ999 barrel is one of the best around. Guess they are not very wrong :)

12GAUGE
25-04-2010, 05:59 PM
12guage Sir, more than me, it's the gun. Let me tell you, leaving aside match grade pistols, it's not that easy to hit the same spot again and again, even from 15M. Zastava Arms claim that CZ999 barrel is one of the best around. Guess they are not very wrong :)

Sir I highly appreciate your humbleness, traits of a true gentleman indeed. keep on shooting Sir.

Regards.

Shariq
25-04-2010, 09:24 PM
Great shooting. Sir i am envious now :)

Gilani
25-04-2010, 11:13 PM
12guage and Shariq sahib, thanks a lot Sir :)

Salahuddin Ayubi
26-04-2010, 10:39 AM
Congrats Nabeel. You have got one of the best handguns available in the market in <100k range. You would fully realise this thing after firing CZ999. Best of luck brother :)

May I interupt and add, 'Later you would entirely realise this after firing a SIG 226'! :D

I did that a week before, and the feel of the gun(CZ999) in general and the trigger in particular is so close to the original(SIG 226)! Which ofcourse is a class in its class! :o :o :D

But then it would'nt be in sub 100k category.

Naveed_pk
26-04-2010, 12:09 PM
Naveed bro can u help me in getting one in same price.
Yes Bhatti will try my level best ... You are welcome :)

Naveed_pk
26-04-2010, 12:12 PM
Gilani bro excellent shooting as always ... its really impressive :)

Aquarius
26-04-2010, 12:16 PM
Excellent shooting once again Gilani Sir...... :)

Naveed_pk
26-04-2010, 12:23 PM
On another Note : On Saturday i went to BaksH Ellahi and i just asked about the CZ999 either its available with them .. He Said yes !! I asked the price and was shocked to hear 55k .. I said what ??? and to make it sure i asked is that the same pistol and model am i asking .. To ensure that i asked him to show me the model .. And Guyz beleive me it was the same Zasatva CZ999 skorpion .. I asked him why your rate is too high i bought this same pistol form PARA @41k .. He said that this pistol if u buy in 45k is the best deal .. But 41k is Unexceptable ... And also he said that this pistol has not a good review :rolleyes: ...

Rotorcrafts
26-04-2010, 12:27 PM
Amazing shooting Gilani sir, Really awesome.

Mangloo Ramzani
26-04-2010, 02:35 PM
Congrats Nabeel. You have got one of the best handguns available in the market in <100k range. You would fully realise this thing after firing CZ999. Best of luck brother :)

May I interupt and add, 'Later you would entirely realise this after firing a SIG 226'! :D

I did that a week before, and the feel of the gun(CZ999) in general and the trigger in particular is so close to the original(SIG 226)! Which ofcourse is a class in its class! :o :o :D

But then it would'nt be in sub 100k category.

Sir, I think you misinterpreted why I wanted to say! (its happening a lot these days)

What I wanted to say was, that even after you fire with a SIG 226, you'll still marvel the CZ999. Because the feel is so good and close to the original AND it is available at a price which is nigligible as compared to the SIG! :D

Mangloo Ramzani
26-04-2010, 02:40 PM
On another Note : On Saturday i went to BaksH Ellahi and i just asked about the CZ999 either its available with them .. He Said yes !! I asked the price and was shocked to hear 55k .. I said what ??? and to make it sure i asked is that the same pistol and model am i asking .. To ensure that i asked him to show me the model .. And Guyz beleive me it was the same Zasatva CZ999 skorpion .. I asked him why your rate is too high i bought this same pistol form PARA @41k .. He said that this pistol if u buy in 45k is the best deal .. But 41k is Unexceptable ... And also he said that this pistol has not a good review :rolleyes: ...

Sir, I think the dealers are also getting the hints from this forum. As they are raising the prices of the guns mostly discussed.

Plus I also think that posts like mine above, are not helping Pakgunners either! If the dealers are also regularly visiting the forum, they'll imediately see the reviews and prices being discussed, and likewise, adjust thier prices! :o

Maximus
26-04-2010, 03:24 PM
On another Note : On Saturday i went to BaksH Ellahi and i just asked about the CZ999 either its available with them .. He Said yes !! I asked the price and was shocked to hear 55k .. I said what ??? and to make it sure i asked is that the same pistol and model am i asking .. To ensure that i asked him to show me the model .. And Guyz beleive me it was the same Zasatva CZ999 skorpion .. I asked him why your rate is too high i bought this same pistol form PARA @41k .. He said that this pistol if u buy in 45k is the best deal .. But 41k is Unexceptable ... And also he said that this pistol has not a good review :rolleyes: ...

Sir, I think the dealers are also getting the hints from this forum. As they are raising the prices of the guns mostly discussed.

Plus I also think that posts like mine above, are not helping Pakgunners either! If the dealers are also regularly visiting the forum, they'll imediately see the reviews and prices being discussed, and likewise, adjust thier prices! :o

:) lets start bashing the CZ then...

maybe it`ll shed a couple of thousands off 41k. I doubt it that dealers would be influenced by our opinions rather act on demand raised by customers who ask around for a particular pistol. We read about it here and go looking for it at different shops.

Salahuddin Ayubi
26-04-2010, 04:40 PM
@Mangloo, thanks for clearing.

@Manglo/Maximus,

One of the reasons why we NEED PakGun's "preferred" dealers who KNOW us and give us most economical rates. Here each one of us (who are regular buyers) have to play our due role. As in the case of Naveed who has been referring / helping PG members get great 41k deals from Lahore from some specific dealer. He and the members who go with him there should repeatedly make that dealer aware of the community which PakGuns represent and make sure that any member who visits this particular dealer gets the same (or even better) rates when he introduces himself as PG member.

We should ensure that dealers know who we are and that we are INFORMED and know when we are being taken for a ride. Three to four dealers in a city max so that they also know that they'll be getting regular business.

For more info on DAO pistols, http://teppoudo.org/17-double-action-first-shot-with-a-dasa-pistol

Gunpsycho
26-04-2010, 05:12 PM
@ Nabeel Excellent purchase

@ Gilani Sahib Excellent SHOOTING :) :)

ay_be_why
26-04-2010, 07:32 PM
...We should ensure that dealers know who we are and that we are INFORMED and know when we are being taken for a ride. Three to four dealers in a city max so that they also know that they'll be getting regular business....

+1 sir...

Gilani
26-04-2010, 11:02 PM
Thanks a lot everyone :)




One of the reasons why we NEED PakGun's "preferred" dealers who KNOW us and give us most economical rates. Here each one of us (who are regular buyers) have to play our due role. As in the case of Naveed who has been referring / helping PG members get great 41k deals from Lahore from some specific dealer. He and the members who go with him there should repeatedly make that dealer aware of the community which PakGuns represent and make sure that any member who visits this particular dealer gets the same (or even better) rates when he introduces himself as PG member.

We should ensure that dealers know who we are and that we are INFORMED and know when we are being taken for a ride. Three to four dealers in a city max so that they also know that they'll be getting regular business.
+1 SA sahib. A dealer may increase the price of a weapon to any extent he feels like after reading positive reviews on PakGuns but he would also know that PakGuns members are quite aware of the market trends and would only buy a weapon from him if he offers them good rates and reliable service. He would also be mindful that if the cheats a PakGuns member, entire world would know it the next day. :)

Dr Zakir
26-04-2010, 11:05 PM
zabardast shooting gillani sahib .

ACHILLES
26-04-2010, 11:10 PM
PM sahib nice shooting. :)

Ilyas
26-04-2010, 11:18 PM
Really great shooting Gillani Bhai, keep it up! And it's not just the gun ... it will be the case if someday, I
do this to a target :)

Gilani
26-04-2010, 11:33 PM
Dr Zakir sahib, Ilyas sahib and Aquarius Sir. Thanks for your comments. But please note that shooting was from 15M and not from 25M. I wish I could do this from 25M :rolleyes:

Sparticas
27-04-2010, 02:11 PM
After following the whole thread and expert range reviews i have decided to sell my NP 42 and buy THE CZ999 Skorpion,

Gilani sahib hats off to u..

Sparticas
27-04-2010, 02:15 PM
and now i don't think that some one will exchange his CZ 999 with me, at least no PAK GUNS member:)

ay_be_why
27-04-2010, 02:19 PM
After following the whole thread and expert range reviews i have decided to sell my NP 42 and buy THE CZ999 Skorpion,

Gilani sahib hats off to u..

Another poor gun succumbing to its owner's highly contagious CZ999 fever.. :D

Sparticas
27-04-2010, 03:24 PM
Wah what an explanation of my condition, and it is just because of Pak guns senior members....

Any way thanks alot AY_BE_Why Brother for defining my condition ...

Salahuddin Ayubi
27-04-2010, 03:41 PM
This virus is spreading fast. Started from Lahore and now spreading to different parts of Punjab.

12GAUGE
27-04-2010, 04:20 PM
This virus is spreading fast. Started from Lahore and now spreading to different parts of Punjab.


Correction!.................The CZ 999 Scorpion virus actually started from Islamabad. me and Dr. Zakir had the pleasure of owning this baby long time before anyone even heard of it at Pakguns. not to mention we started recommending this baby even before Abbas posted his CZ999 here at PG :)

Regards.

Shariq
27-04-2010, 04:25 PM
This virus is spreading fast. Started from Lahore and now spreading to different parts of Punjab.


Correction!.................The CZ 999 Scorpion virus actually started from Islamabad. me and Dr. Zakir had the pleasure of owning this baby long time before anyone even heard of it at Pakguns. not to mention we started recommending this baby even before Abbas posted his CZ999 here at PG :)

Regards.
+1
On their recommendation i checked this gun out on range and found it quite good.

Gilani
27-04-2010, 11:54 PM
This virus is spreading fast. Started from Lahore and now spreading to different parts of Punjab.

Correction!.................The CZ 999 Scorpion virus actually started from Islamabad. me and Dr. Zakir had the pleasure of owning this baby long time before anyone even heard of it at Pakguns. not to mention we started recommending this baby even before Abbas posted his CZ999 here at PG :)

Regards.
Sir, whoever spread this virus, it is well spread now and has infected many people so far :D

Sparticas
28-04-2010, 08:28 AM
and a great virus to be spreaded, at least it was for the benefit of the people :)

ARJ
28-04-2010, 12:06 PM
@ Abbas, Gilani bro, Dr Zakir, Moeen & all senior Members

Banking on your knowledge of CZ999, do you think the (Lack of) safety feature of CZ would be a disadvantage for a complete novice to own it ??? especially if we compare the situation with guns with all the safety features!

Please dont limit your reply to ..." than dont carry a chambered gun" :P

your answer would be highly appreciated if it is made in reference to other guns within the same price range

Salahuddin Ayubi
28-04-2010, 12:12 PM
This virus is spreading fast. Started from Lahore and now spreading to different parts of Punjab.

Correction!.................The CZ 999 Scorpion virus actually started from Islamabad. me and Dr. Zakir had the pleasure of owning this baby long time before anyone even heard of it at Pakguns. not to mention we started recommending this baby even before Abbas posted his CZ999 here at PG :)

Regards.

I stand corrected. So it is you and Doc Z who is to be blamed for this virus...

ARJ
28-04-2010, 12:26 PM
Well SA bro,
i can assure you one thing...one meeting with Dr Zakir and Moeen and all you'll see after that will be CZ 999 :D

@ 12gauge Bro,
Im sure you are also as potent as the above two GURUs ;)
but i missed the opportunity of meeting you in islbd,
hopefully will see you next time im there

Gilani
28-04-2010, 09:31 PM
@ Abbas, Gilani bro, Dr Zakir, Moeen & all senior Members

Banking on your knowledge of CZ999, do you think the (Lack of) safety feature of CZ would be a disadvantage for a complete novice to own it ??? especially if we compare the situation with guns with all the safety features!

Please dont limit your reply to ..." than dont carry a chambered gun" :P

your answer would be highly appreciated if it is made in reference to other guns within the same price range
ARJ brother, factual reply to your question is that CZ999 does not have a manual safety but has a decocker. Most other handguns available in Pakistani market come with manual safeties.

However, this statement does not give a complete picture and does not prove that CZ999 is an unsafe pistol to carry. As I have already mentioned in some other thread, the notion of safety in my personal view is more on mental than physical plane. It means different to different people. One person may feel the need of fool proof safety while another person might say that safeties are just an irritant and may delay / jeopardize the reaction of firer when he needs to act fast. After all, Glock does not have a manual safety and Sig P226, one of the best pistols ever manufactured, also does not have a manual safety rather just a decocker. And mind you, these two are amongst the most widely used firearms with LEAs but we don't very often hear of accidents that so and so fired the gun because there was no manual safety feature on it. So I think opinions will differ on this subject and to me, it's really a matter of personal choice.

Personally speaking, I consider CZ999 a safe pistol to be carried. But this is my personal opinion which has got something to do with my carrying habits that I have developed over the years. I normally don't carry a round in the chamber unless the danger is very imminent. I feel that in normal circumstances, there is always enough time to rack the slide and shoot (it takes slightly more than a second). But someone else may have a very different carrying habit and accordingly, a different requirement for safety in the handgun he is carrying. :)

Sparticas
29-04-2010, 08:19 AM
+1 For Gilani Sahib, very well defined...

Bhatti
30-04-2010, 09:37 AM
thanx naveed bro

ARlover
01-05-2010, 03:42 PM
In 50 60 k range this is tank

Gilani
01-05-2010, 07:09 PM
In 50 60 k range this is tank
Sure; and in 40-45 K range, its a tank received as a gift :cool: ;)

Sparticas
01-05-2010, 08:30 PM
@ ARJ


I will add something more to the Gillani Sb answer for your satisfaction....
CZ 999 has double action trigger system, with external hammer,
has an automatic firing pin safety, and ambidextrous decocker levers, on both sides of the grip frame.
The decocker levers also operate the slide stop, reducing the number of manual controls.
Pistol is also equipped with loaded chamber indicator.
The trigger mode selector switch is located at the top left side of the slide, and marked with letters "P" (Pistol mode) and "R" (Revolver mode).

In Pistol mode, first shot can be made either in Single action (hammer is cocked manually before shot) or in Double action (hammer is lowered, and then cocked via the long pull of the trigger).
All subsequent shots are made in Single action mode, unless hammer is lowered manually by the decocker lever.
In Revolver mode, hammer still can be cocked manually, but it is lowered automatically after each shot, so each subsequent shot is made in Double Action mode, unless hammer is cocked manually.
Another interesting feature is the "ammunition supply is low" indicator. This indicator is made in the form of the pin, which protrudes from the grip into shooter's palm when only three or less rounds are left in the magazine.


I Hope its Safe now even without a safety.. =):cool:

Sparticas
01-05-2010, 08:52 PM
and finally after a lot advertisement Abass Bhai has sold his CZ 999 =)

Gilani
02-05-2010, 02:13 AM
.........The trigger mode selector switch is located at the top left side of the slide, and marked with letters "P" (Pistol mode) and "R" (Revolver mode).

In Pistol mode, first shot can be made either in Single action (hammer is cocked manually before shot) or in Double action (hammer is lowered, and then cocked via the long pull of the trigger).
All subsequent shots are made in Single action mode, unless hammer is lowered manually by the decocker lever.
In Revolver mode, hammer still can be cocked manually, but it is lowered automatically after each shot, so each subsequent shot is made in Double Action mode, unless hammer is cocked manually.

Another interesting feature is the "ammunition supply is low" indicator. This indicator is made in the form of the pin, which protrudes from the grip into shooter's palm when only three or less rounds are left in the magazine.
Sparticas brother, as far as I know, these features were there in the original CZ99 which is the basic / old model. CZ999 Scorpion, which is the current model and is the one that is currently available in Pakistan, does not have any of the above features. It's a simple SA/DA pistol.

Aquarius
02-05-2010, 03:27 AM
Sparticas brother, as far as I know, these features were there in the original CZ99 which is the basic / old model. CZ999 Scorpion, which is the current model and is the one that is currently available in Pakistan, does not have any of the above features. It's a simple SA/DA pistol.

+1 Gilani brother but a little correction.. CZ99 is the older models which does not have these features. The basic CZ 999 model is a newer model than CZ99 and this very same CZ 999 has this fire selection P and R mode option in it as well as the low shot indicator. The ones exported to pakistan and other countries as CZ 999 scorpion and to the US as Charles Daly does'nt have these options... :)

from the sourse.
http://www.cz99.org/index.php?page=cz999

Gilani
02-05-2010, 09:40 AM
Thanks for the correction Aquarius brother.

BTW; I am totally fascinated by CZ999 TopXX and IPSC. Wow, if a 108mm CZ999 is so accurate, what a pleasure it would be to shoot a 134 mm barrel CZ :rolleyes:. No doubt, Zastava has great history of making reliable and accurate weapons.

Sparticas
02-05-2010, 12:06 PM
Thank you my expert members of pak guns, i stand corrected but the one i saw in Peshawar with a person known to me was having all these features. May be he has got it from some where else. OR may be it was not scorpion :rolleyes:

Aquarius
02-05-2010, 12:26 PM
Dear Sparticas brother if it has all the features you mentioned above (ie the trigger mode selector switch 'P' & 'R' and the low shot indicator in the form of a pin that pinches the palm with three rounds remaining in the magazine) then its definately the CZ999 and not the CZ999 Scorpion model..

Sparticas
02-05-2010, 12:44 PM
Yeah Aquarius you are very much right it was CZ 999 not the scorpion model .............. I stand corrected and thanks.

kasana
05-05-2010, 11:40 PM
naveed or nabeel brother can u share ur email with me? i wanna purchase dis handgun and wanna get ur usefull advice. i wanna get it from lahore so u can help me to buy this gun at a reason price.
plz email me.... ma email address is
fahadkasana@yahoo.com....
i will wait for ur reply.

auon
06-05-2010, 08:47 AM
nice details and comparison..

kasana
06-05-2010, 09:15 PM
naveed or nabeel brother can u share ur email with me? i wanna purchase dis handgun and wanna get ur usefull advice. i wanna get it from lahore so u can help me to buy this gun at a reason price.
plz email me.... ma email address is
[Edited]
i will wait for ur reply.

Nazim Sahib
08-05-2010, 05:10 PM
Beautifull pictures Abbas.I`m getting one the moment i get my 9mm license.I would prefer it to any of the taurus i have seen anyday.

zeeshan.pk
15-05-2010, 11:39 PM
it is a great gun ,i hv fired more than 2000 rounds,chinese without any FTF ,FTE,it engulfed all ,really good value for money

Madness
16-05-2010, 12:50 PM
Dear PG members, thanks alot for putting such a nice reviews which helped me to make the right decision for my first gun............I have bought CZ999 scorpion from Peshawar for 42K. Now I am looking for another guidance/advise.........I am looking for a 3rd megazine for my CZ999...........Can some one guide me from where to get one more meg for my gun? is it available as spare? or I have to live with the two megzines I got with my gun?

Aquarius
16-05-2010, 01:02 PM
@Madness.. brother congrats on your excellent purchase and price is quite reasonable.. for spare magazine try Jumrud market... :)

Gilani
16-05-2010, 01:51 PM
Madness bhai, congrats on your purchase. Please do let us know if you find a spare magazine (original) :)

Dr Hanif Malik
16-05-2010, 05:19 PM
@madness,you nick should be goodness any how lovely purchase brother when did you purchase this it will help to karachi members:)

ARlover
16-05-2010, 05:46 PM
Madness bro congrats for your cz999 safe shooting

bro Aquarius Jumrud market u mean karkhanoo i visit this market few time

TT-33
16-05-2010, 09:14 PM
Can we use local made Barreta Clone Magzine for CZ999?

Denovo87
16-05-2010, 09:30 PM
Can we use local made Barreta Clone Magzine for CZ999?

Yes, with minor modifications and one of our members did it very successfully, cannot write his name here orherwise he would be making a new magazine to fit into my................... mouth :lol:

Aquarius
17-05-2010, 12:40 AM
Yes, with minor modifications and one of our members did it very successfully, cannot write his name here orherwise he would be making a new magazine to fit into my................... mouth :lol:

:lol: :lol:

Luger
17-05-2010, 03:29 AM
@ sir gilani

sorry that have not visited forum lately and congratulations for nice score on target !

:) :) :)

but this gun can do much better, thrust me on that ...

if you would like to check on it, follow my advice:

clean barrel, quality ammunition ( this can not be cheap, but ... ), hands on sand bag or
other soft surface, target not on 15, put it without any fear on 25 m,
and slowly pull the trigger.
expected result should be about 50 mm ( 2 inch ).

it will make you feel good for the rest of the day...

:D:D:D

great regards!

Luger
17-05-2010, 03:40 AM
and another thing:

using magazine from other manufacturers can cause jamming,
if angles for feeding round in barrel are not the same.

also when assembling magazines after cleaning pay attention
to put spring as it was in magazine, because magazine can be assembled
with spring in reversed position. that will also lift rounds, but magazine follower
is pressed with wrong angle of the spring, so it also can cause jamming.

this happens in practice, when this is done in a hurry, without proper attention.

same thing can happens with sigs.

Luger
17-05-2010, 04:22 AM
there is also possibility to find somewhere in pak 9 mm hot loads, called +p+.

i am sure that only 2 pistols at current productions can handle that ammo without
greater damage on construction and parts: russian viking and serbian cz99 ( cz 999 ).

viking, because it can handle russian 9 mm armour piercing 7N21 round,
and for cz i already explained how barrel is made.

again, this is not my patriotic stance, not to get me wrong, i just had chance to get to
know cz pistols very well, and only 3 reason why i would take cz before viking are:
- finer craftnanship at cz´s
- chromed barrel
- viking does not have automatic firing pin safety
( but till now there is not one accidental discharge reported because of that )

Gilani
17-05-2010, 02:41 PM
Luger Sir, its always great to have input from you because it is very focused and comprehensive, based on practical experience. I will try all these things that you have mentioned.

As for the ammo, I normally fire POF (Pakistan Ordnance Factories) ammo which is not only the cheapest but, as per my experience, also the most accurate as compared with Filipino Armscor, Russian Wolf or Ulaynosk and Chinese Norinco ammo. Other ammos available are US ammos like Federal etc which are quite expensive. Out of the above four, I get tightest grouping with POF ammo.

I was just wondering what happened to Zastava's CZ99 TopXX project. I would love to have a match pistol manufactured by Zastava Arms. If a 108 mm barrel CZ999 is so accurate, I can imagine a TopXX in 134 mm barrel, much longer sight radius, adjustable sights, match trigger and match hammer will be a kind of dream pistol. I would certainly wait for TopXX :P

Luger
20-05-2010, 02:08 AM
@ sir gilani

I am also wandering what happened with top xx, and many more of us...

probably one of hard explaining situations, because zastava still works first
like a military manufacturer, and deserts like a top xx are not first in order to be made...

all made tops xx till now can be considered as 0 series ( prototypes ), and even in serbia
we are not able to buy them. only one that all interested could see and try is one that
i already wrote about, one given to firing range for super test.
this one is now about 120.000 - 130.000 rounds fired and still working.
even i am wondering when it will brake at last.

so, we are in same situation, we will wait for top xx, since nothing else we can do.

great regards.

:)

Luger
20-05-2010, 02:18 AM
forgot to write:

tops are made in different lenghts of barrel, in 9 mm; 40 sw and 45 acp.

slides are lighter then on cz 99 ( cz 999 ), angles for barrel locking and guiding
are changed, what gives as result lighter kick and faster work of the slide.

since i am not in good shooting condition for years, i am not good point now
for competitive comparison, but one of my friends that pays attention on trainings
( let say medium sport shooter , medium phusical condition, 36 years old)
hits effectively 5 targets on 8 m distance for 3 - 3,5 s from top xx.

as you wrote, it is not him, it is the gun...

:)

Gilani
20-05-2010, 07:26 AM
Thanks for the response Sir. Would wait for this pistol to be launched and buy it the day it reaches Pakistan :)

coolbox18
20-05-2010, 09:05 AM
i just had chance to get to
know cz pistols very well, and only 3 reason why i would take cz before viking are:
- finer craftnanship at cz´s
- chromed barrel
- viking does not have automatic firing pin safety
( but till now there is not one accidental discharge reported because of that )
sirs, i believe viking also has a chromed barrel. Kindly confirm.

Luger
20-05-2010, 01:26 PM
vikings that i have seen have not chromed barrels,
even more, black paint from the barrels ( not on locking blocks )
falls of very easily, but for russians this is not a problem,
just is question would they or they would not make barrels chromed.

coolbox18
20-05-2010, 03:25 PM
vikings that i have seen have not chromed barrels,
even more, black paint from the barrels ( not on locking blocks )
falls of very easily, but for russians this is not a problem,
just is question would they or they would not make barrels chromed.

I recall reading that these are chromed, and then blackened. I will try to post the link if I can get hand on it again.
I would, however, trust your opinion more than what i read over the internet.
Further, i checked the finish on both viking and scorpion, and i somehow liked the dull matte look more than the shiny one on scorpion. But I think you are referring to 'fit' finish rather than the cosmetic finish, which i would not realize till i have owned and extensily used both :D

Luger
20-05-2010, 04:59 PM
vikings that i had chance to see were not chromed for sure ( i mean on barrels )
what was obviously on locking block.
on the other hand, russians already make hard chromed barrels in large series
so i am sure that they can do it if they like.

my opinion is still that cz 99 (cz999) is finer made made and closer to sig ( my own preference ),
but i would not complain at all if i had to use viking like self defense or service pistol.

Gilani
21-05-2010, 04:08 PM
Luger sir, thanks for a solid input again :)
regards

coolbox18
21-05-2010, 05:36 PM
vikings that i had chance to see were not chromed for sure ( i mean on barrels )
what was obviously on locking block.
on the other hand, russians already make hard chromed barrels in large series
so i am sure that they can do it if they like.

my opinion is still that cz 99 (cz999) is finer made made and closer to sig ( my own preference ),
but i would not complain at all if i had to use viking like self defense or service pistol.

Luger sir, thanks alot for your kind feedback.