View Full Version : Recommend Semi Auto or O/U shotgun under 60k

28-09-2009, 03:13 PM
i want to buy a shotgun for hunting purposes and I need your help in selection. I go for partridge shoots 4-5 times in a season and 1-2 times for waterfowling and do not use more than 350 cartridges. My budget is around 60k. I live in Pindi but i wont mind going to Lahore as well.

I can go for an o/u too but i just wanted to have a semi automatic. Please suggest me the better brands available for semi as well as o/u. If possible please mention the approximate price and dealer as well.

I have heard and read good reviews about hatsan, salvo, yildiz and akkar. Baikal off course has no match in reliability, but its pattern is something to be looked for.

How much do I have to spend to get a Remington and would you recomend that.

I would be really obliged and thankful if you can help me on this issue.

Looking forward to your reply

Haris Naeem Sheikh

28-09-2009, 04:43 PM
If your budget is 60K then I wud recommend you buy Baikal for 50K. But if you dont like its Heavy weight then go for an Hatson Escort for 43K Remington are all 100K+ so its out of your budget. Beretta is the best but its about 230-290K. You can buy Apollo Sarsilmaz DBBL for about 40K. Or Go for a Maverick 88 40K. If you can add more to your budget then Mossberg 590 at 90K. But the Final Decision if your budget is limited to 60K according to me and a.c to other PG senior members will be that you go for a Baikal mp153, it will cost of 50K.

28-09-2009, 05:03 PM
I would recommend the Akkar Altay with a 28in barrel and mobile chokes, it's an excellent and sturdy semi auto and looks very nice with the walnut wood stock. Retail in Karachi is around 50k

The Akkar Churchill o/u is under 60 depending on which dealer you go to and has also received good reviews but i personally find it to be a bit on the heavy side.

28-09-2009, 05:03 PM
well bro the choice is urs , my recommendations are from top to bottom

1. Baikal O/U
2. Salvo/Yildiz/SKB (all O/U)
3. Apollo
4. Hatsen / ATA (Magnum) / Akkar/ Yildiz/ SKB /Verona (all Semis)
5. MP 153 (but its very poor in grouping )
6. Viper

28-09-2009, 05:05 PM
All mentioned are 60k or below 60k

28-09-2009, 05:10 PM
Bluff. . if u give the gentleman the Prices as well then it will benefit him

28-09-2009, 05:12 PM
Welcome to PakGuns HarisNaeem. If you want to go for a semi auto, there is not much in your price range that can compare with the reliability of the Baikal Mp153. If you want a double barrel try going for something European.

28-09-2009, 05:27 PM
5. MP 153 (but its very poor in grouping )

Bro... shouldn't the proper choke solve this problem???

28-09-2009, 08:07 PM
thank you all for giving in your valuable comments.

thanks abass bahi for the offer but i dont want to spend +15K

@ bluff

I think i would go for anything available from

2. Salvo/Yildiz/SKB (all O/U)

can you please put some light on the availability in pindi or lahore.

I dont know but i have been reading very convincing reviews about hatsan escot and sarsilmaz deluxe on the net. reviews about yildiz and SKB are also very good.

28-09-2009, 08:17 PM
AoA Everybody.

first of all there is no such thing as grouping in shotguns. grouping is a term exclusively used for single projectile firearms (handguns, rifles). when talking about shotguns the proper term is pattern.

moving on. Baikal's patterns are absolutely fine as per standards and i'm absolutely amazed how casually people accuse Baikal's pattern to be sub standard. I think this "baikal pattern is crap" myth is totally blown out of propotions. remember when somebody (experienced) says Baikal's patterns are not impressive it means that on the open side of chokes its fine but on the tighter chokes it lack uniformity and density that is desired. all these problems can be easily fixed with aftermarket chokes available through Trulock, Clonial arms and carlson's chokes. GUESS WHAT, AND DONT TELL THIS TO ANYONE (dont want to hurt the myth spreaders), COME CLOSE! "NOT EVERY BAIKAL SUFFERS FROM THIS ISSUE".

u see, pattern is a tough cookie to crack, too many variables working for and working against the right pattern. even type of shotgun cartridges, load, cartridge length, choke type, barrel length and even the temperature of the barrel can give strange results. I've had same type of cartridges give totally different results. i'm sure u get my point.

so, coming back to the track. go for a semi auto if u want and Baikal is absolutely fine. a 26inch (most approprite length for ur use) barrel baikal MP153 is as good as it gets in ur budget range. 28 inch will do too, infact I prefer 28 but people find 28inch a bit heavier for patridge hunting. if u want more fancy appearence then Hatsan Escort. but remember with fancier turkish offerings ur basically compromising on durability and reliablity.


28-09-2009, 08:22 PM
i would recommend MP153 model 06 onward. no grouping issue in these models. got improved choke allignment hence good grouping.

28-09-2009, 09:34 PM
what about sarsilmaz Apollo ? not in the list

29-09-2009, 09:36 AM
@12guage .... i wont argue but i seriously doubt your statement

"first of all there is no such thing as grouping in shotguns. grouping is a term exclusively used for single projectile firearms (handguns, rifles). when talking about shotguns the proper term is pattern."

29-09-2009, 09:46 AM
@12guage read the backside of your shaheen cartridge box. what it says .?

29-09-2009, 10:51 AM
As per my understanding a group is the pattern of shots on a target, so in theory it can refer to both multiple shots from a single projectile firearm or a single shot from a shot shell firearm.

However the term pattern is used exclusively when referring to the spread of the projectiles fired from a shotgun.




But i think as long as we all understand each other it does not really matter what terminology is used

Enigmatic Desires
29-09-2009, 02:25 PM
Precisely Basharat sahib.. why quibble over semantics?

29-09-2009, 08:14 PM
However the term pattern is used exclusively when referring to the spread of the projectiles fired from a shotgun.

I rest my case. Thanks for reiterating my point. pattern is the right word and I believe if a right word to describe something exists then why coin something new?


29-09-2009, 10:45 PM
+1 to 12Gauge