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frk2
01-09-2009, 09:09 PM
So this is the gun I bought from my friend. The used NP-34 (my first ever gun!). The problem is that my dealer who transferred the gun insisted that I got jibbed since this is 'pakc' made. I dont know what that means. The gun is also silver as opposed to black (I've only seen the NP-34 in black).

Pics are attached - advice is welcome. Are there any local made (copied) Norincos around?
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8688/34761280.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6799/48389769.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4997/81196507.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

XMen
01-09-2009, 09:20 PM
Dear this is certainly Pak Made weapon as i have NP34 & NP22 both are in black and as per my knowledge norinco is not offering any NP34 in silver colour and by seeing the finish of that weapon this is Paki made weapon

Kindly advice how much you bought that piece

frk2
01-09-2009, 09:24 PM
Xmen, Havent paid anything yet. The gun fires great and everything works as promised. If it is indeed pak made how much do you think I should pay for it?

XMen
01-09-2009, 09:36 PM
No idea Brother for Pak Made weapons getting PAK MADE weapon why you not go for CF98 which is also cost effective nearly around 30K which is much relieable as compare to this one

frk2
01-09-2009, 09:37 PM
really? is the CF98 also a Norinco?

XMen
01-09-2009, 09:58 PM
Yes CF98 is from NORINCO and much reliable weapon the price are come down and i also bought this weapon for my friend and believe me there is no regrets you can search it on the internet for rest of the details

Doktar
01-09-2009, 10:04 PM
Brand new Pak Made copies of NP-34 are available in Peshawar in the price range of 12K-15K (depending upon the finishing and colour- Silver being more expensive). These copies are mostly made by New Frontier Arms Company, Peshawar.

KageFox
01-09-2009, 10:06 PM
Oookaay, so how do you tell the original and the Pakistani apart?

Wow, clone of a clone.... What next...

Abbas
01-09-2009, 10:09 PM
Yes CF in CF98 stands for Cheng Feng which is a subsidary of Norinco. Both are complimentary state owned industries and I agree with Xmen, a CF 98 is better and more reliable than anything locally produced.

frk2
01-09-2009, 10:14 PM
goddamnit. He simply gave it to me for free and I put it on my license already. What do I do? How do I get it off my license? I cant simply give it back then right?

Ka_Khan
01-09-2009, 10:28 PM
frk2 if you got it free....Just keep it on your license till you get anything New :)

Xerga
01-09-2009, 10:33 PM
same happened to me, a friend gifted me a clone of s&w mod. 659. i thought it was the real one, i got it registered on my license. afterwards i got it off my license ( by showing it sold to arms dealer on license ) and returned to that friend. arms dealer can do that. no problem.

arms dealer will get it off your license and will put an entry of gun's purchase, means arms dealer bought your gun. problem solved.

frk2
01-09-2009, 11:12 PM
Xerga- Thank you. Yes I havent paid anything for it but eventually I would like to own one - Its sad that he did this to me since he is a real gun person and probably knows for sure this is a replica. CF98 it is then :)

Thanks guys. This forum is a real help!!

Dr Zakir
01-09-2009, 11:13 PM
X man tell your expierence about np22 and 34 which will you term a better one in terms of reliabilty and accuracy

frk2
01-09-2009, 11:28 PM
So I'm back to square one :)
The NP-34 is unaffordable for me (at PKR 55,000) - I need something around 30k. The Norinco TTs are short in the market (which I originally wanted to buy) which means the CF98 is probably the best option - sounds right?

Ilyas
01-09-2009, 11:35 PM
@frk2... for your budget, CF98 is absolutely right and it's not a bad choice at all :)

frk2
01-09-2009, 11:36 PM
done. Anybody selling one in karachi ? :)

Memon
02-09-2009, 12:37 AM
Dear Brother frk2

There is also another thread in which, you can find out the details of current prices of CF-98 with dealer reference.

Regards,

Enigmatic Desires
02-09-2009, 01:02 AM
Heck at under 30K its an absolute steal! The moment licenses open. if I can cough up the dough.. this is on my absolute must have list

Thunder
02-09-2009, 01:14 AM
The NP-34 is unaffordable for me (at PKR 55,000) -


NP 34 for 55k............ :mad:

frk2
02-09-2009, 01:59 PM
DAAD is selling CF98 for 35k

I dont know why everybody likes him but i have a serious problem with this guy - too much attitude!!! He also refuses to do anything with licenses except sell firearms on a new one. He does not deal in transfers or sale of firearms AT ALL. Or probably he just dislikes me :)

frk2
02-09-2009, 02:06 PM
Xerga- DAAD is refusing to do it. Does anyone know the contact number of the new guy near hot n spicy?

Abbas
02-09-2009, 03:49 PM
Contact Taurus on the GTG, he will InshAllah get you at NIB CF98 for 29k or 30 K. And Np34 should not be more than 35 K.

KageFox
02-09-2009, 03:49 PM
Don't know much about it, but the guy in Khadda Market seems eager to do business, plus he's got a SWEET collection of knives :D

Name is, I think, Ahmad Traders or something...

MIdreesTaj
02-09-2009, 07:02 PM
So this is the gun I bought from my friend. The used NP-34 (my first ever gun!). The problem is that my dealer who transferred the gun insisted that I got jibbed since this is 'pakc' made. I dont know what that means. The gun is also silver as opposed to black (I've only seen the NP-34 in black).

This is a Pak made clone of NP34. I have it. Have fired 1000+ rounds from it. Not a single hiccup in functioning. Decocker works flawlessly. Firepin never broke. Never did FTF and FTE.
Barrel is very polished finish from inside. After 1000+ rounds Barrel shows no corrosion at all still like new.
Still a pakmade weapon, but I wonder it is very good in reliability and also durability. Even till today, when i stip it, i find no marks or metal shavings like you normally find in a desi TT after 500 rounds. External gun finish is like the day it came new. bought it for 22,000RS.
Maker of this gun is still unknown to me.

In the pics you can see it with my 7 years old local 92FS copy which has fired more than 3000 rounds till date and is still going... It was stainless steel finish which I later changed to Chrome finish. 226 copy is 3 years old now.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4142/11485954.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/84/49447071.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

Dr Zakir
02-09-2009, 07:13 PM
Nice guns how is the accuracy of p226

MIdreesTaj
02-09-2009, 07:44 PM
Nice guns how is the accuracy of p226

Dr. sb . accuracy of 226 pak made clone is just like that of pak made 92FS. generally in isosceles stance, both guns can put 5 rounds inside 7 ring black circle on a standard target @ 15 meters.
If you fire 10 rounds, on avrage 2 rounds are expected flyers, a little off but still inside 5 ring mark.

among these pakmade clones the most accurate one is the two-tone 92FS, for which i can shoot 5 rounds inside 8-ring mark on standard target. Btw in the pic target you see is shot by 3 different people from 25 meters, :) that is why you see bullets landing everywhere all over the place :D

also plz check 3 shot string done from 15 meters, in video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb7Grt3wkG8



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Yoosha
02-09-2009, 08:36 PM
can someone plz tell me which paki manufacturer has the 92fs copy in SS finish (gleaming silver) and still functions adequately?? iv only seen the khyber one which as the word goes is the best clone ever...but it does not sport a SS finish!! the color makes it look lyk a 100% clone even to the newbie's eye!!

Yoosha
02-09-2009, 08:39 PM
@ midreestaj:- the one u have in this pic looks like wot i want!

KageFox
02-09-2009, 08:48 PM
@midreestaj: nice to see someone who can compare different Pak-made clones.

MIdreesTaj
02-09-2009, 08:53 PM
@ midreestaj:- the one u have in this pic looks like wot i want!

Brother both the pistols are khyber arm clones. stainless one is 7 years old and the two-tone one is 1 year old. The newer is more accurate out of the box as compared to accuracy which i got from stainless out of the box. That is true not all pieces from local manufacturers are same, your luck which one u get ur hands on, a best piece or just a better piece out of the box.

The KAC pistol was stainless steel finish with black frame new.

I got it chrome plated later and now it has more flashy look :) plz compare


http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7879/14713504.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)


http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5637/68864413.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

KageFox
02-09-2009, 09:05 PM
Very nice-looking. Hope it shoots as well

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for the Pak-clones? (the Berettas and the Sig)?

MIdreesTaj
02-09-2009, 09:07 PM
Very nice-looking. Hope it shoots as well

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for the Pak-clones? (the Berettas and the Sig)?

92FS clone SS finish = paid 23k and advertised at 25k
92FS clone two-tone = paid 16.5k and advertised at 24k
226 clone = paid 22k and advertised at 25k

KageFox
02-09-2009, 09:23 PM
Good buys. And you're right, the chrome plating does look a lot better. Sorta like Beretta's own INOX finish :)

MIdreesTaj
02-09-2009, 09:28 PM
@KageFox
no, ive shot Inox italian made, it has a SS finish which is less flashy than Chrome.
Chrome is like a plain show off. SS is more acceptable in masses, as compared to chrome.

KageFox
02-09-2009, 09:30 PM
I see. How would you compare the original with the clone, and would you be willing to trust your life to the clone? I've read your favorable reviews in an earlier thread, but it never hurts to ask...

frk2
02-09-2009, 09:40 PM
btw I returned the clone to my friend and bought a CF-98 for 32,500 from Ahmed Traders (Khadda). I recommend him totally. Extremely friendly guy, very well educated and reasonable. Totally recommend this guy - lets give him more business!!! Sold me chinese 9mm bullets for 32 a bullet which I believe is also reasonable.

He did show me a S&w and a beretta clone (pak made) which had excellent finish!!!

MIdreesTaj
02-09-2009, 09:41 PM
I see. How would you compare the original with the clone, and would you be willing to trust your life to the clone? I've read your favorable reviews in an earlier thread, but it never hurts to ask...

I wish I could write an article on it, but may be some other time. :)
well main difference is weight, both of my clones are like 100grams heavier than original.
Grip is same, pointability factor is different. Original beretta is like with a center of gravity in middle of pistol, clones both that i own have forward weight a bit more. This is a big difference that u feel rightaway playing with both side by side. Otherwise if u train on a clone like i have done, u can very very well tame its, 'draw from holster' and 'point naturally at target'.
Barrel... well only the original. Our brothers are still not good enough in making barrels. Only some clone barrels are better than other clones. but not upto the mark. no chrome platting ever found in these, only polished bore with sort of nice grade rifling. Who knows the grade of steel used? alot of questions there and answers to these ar therefore to be unfold...

Reliability/durability.. well u can only claim these factors by USING it over a bigger time span and conclude over its reliability or durability. Both of mine are Excellent in that department.
Its unlike imported weapons, whos brand name alone gives u a gaurantee or a souvenir of its traits. you got to use it to know what it has to offer you.
:)

KageFox
02-09-2009, 10:00 PM
Is it possible to find an original Beretta barrel for a reasonable price and insert it into the clone, to remove the barrel factor from the equation? Ideas, anybody???

ay_be_why
02-09-2009, 10:54 PM
taj saheb very nice guns. you've been very lucky with such fine clones. In his recent visit to the market, ED found the KAC .30 cal 92FS clone to be pathetic... :| your oldies are real beauties.

Rizshu
02-09-2009, 11:18 PM
@ midreestaj:- the one u have in this pic looks like wot i want!

Brother both the pistols are khyber arm clones. stainless one is 7 years old and the two-tone one is 1 year old. The newer is more accurate out of the box as compared to accuracy which i got from stainless out of the box. That is true not all pieces from local manufacturers are same, your luck which one u get ur hands on, a best piece or just a better piece out of the box.

The KAC pistol was stainless steel finish with black frame new.

I got it chrome plated later and now it has more flashy look :) plz compare



and what about the GOLDLEAF pack?...........................:D
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7879/14713504.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)


http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5637/68864413.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

Ka_Khan
02-09-2009, 11:25 PM
midreestaj very interesting last pic :)
Its good someone could give us practical review of Local Guns.
Good going!I liked the finish of your 92 FS.How much the chroming cost you and from where ?

Dr Zakir
02-09-2009, 11:37 PM
Yes I think if we can get a cheap barrel from abroad we could have a really nice gun . I have fired a clone and for the value money it is great

Ka_Khan
02-09-2009, 11:39 PM
Taj are you shooting in this link?

Irttyza
03-09-2009, 12:35 AM
Taj bro a litlle question.are the guide rods in your 92s metal or plastic? A friend recently bought one 92 clone and the guide rod is made out of plastic. Are metal guide rods available?

Ka_Khan
03-09-2009, 12:59 AM
@Irtyyza....I have one with metal guide rod.Not seen any with a plastic one.

Irttyza
03-09-2009, 01:11 AM
Ka-Khan bro any leads to where i can get one for my friend?

Ka_Khan
03-09-2009, 03:30 AM
Irtayyza Peshawar is full of them.Have seen lying like vegetables around the factories.If you could come i can get you the finest piece.Dont know about your city.

Enigmatic Desires
03-09-2009, 03:42 AM
taj saheb very nice guns. you've been very lucky with such fine clones. In his recent visit to the market, ED found the KAC .30 cal 92FS clone to be pathetic... :| your oldies are real beauties.

Actuly the 9mm was pathetic. extremely light no 'feel' to it poor finishing spacialy the internals. and when I racked the slide.. rust on the ramp. God alone knows how the barrel an pin and other innards had fared.. Even the carrying case was almost completely busted. I asked em to show me some fresh pieces. they were al like this

as for the .KAC .30 92. Ammar had sent em back.. apparently the high powered .30 cartridge was making an absolute neusince of it self.

i did get to see the KAC Combat Commando .30 14 shot S.A in silver. cost about Rs. 10k

MIdreesTaj
03-09-2009, 09:45 PM
Taj are you shooting in this link?
yes sir! these are our fun shooting video series. :)

MIdreesTaj
03-09-2009, 10:08 PM
Taj bro a litlle question.are the guide rods in your 92s metal or plastic? A friend recently bought one 92 clone and the guide rod is made out of plastic. Are metal guide rods available?

Both of these pistols have metal guide rods. I myself have never seen a plastic guide rod like Ka_Khan mentioned. However plastic ones can be found in newer models of Italian and American 92FS.

HasanJamshad
03-09-2009, 10:42 PM
Nice guns MITaj, and nice shooting too. I saw quite a handfull videos of your fun :) shooting on Youtube. The only thing i would add here is to be little more careful in shooting on bricks. :|

Irttyza
04-09-2009, 12:17 AM
@Ka-Khan and Taj bro thanks for the replies. Do you think that plastic guide rods would affect reliability and are they durable? cause the rod is made of really good material.

ay_be_why
04-09-2009, 09:00 AM
plastic guide rods should not pose a problem on an original imported piece like beretta etc. because they have tons of types of plastics for different jobs. plastic giudes on a local clone, i don't even want to think about it.... :|

MIdreesTaj
04-09-2009, 05:13 PM
midreestaj very interesting last pic :)
Its good someone could give us practical review of Local Guns.
Good going!I liked the finish of your 92 FS.How much the chroming cost you and from where ?


Chroming done for RS 3000 asking was RS 3500 .
Place is Majeed Gul and Sons (Official KAC dealer) on Ravi road, with Macro building, Lahore.

Sorry sir I missed this post by you, so answer is bit late ...

MIdreesTaj
04-09-2009, 05:45 PM
@Ka-Khan and Taj bro thanks for the replies. Do you think that plastic guide rods would affect reliability and are they durable? cause the rod is made of really good material.
Plastic guide rod by desi craftsmen is not a good idea indeed.. its better to get a metal rod instead.
anyway Gora replaced their metal rod with palstic ones to reduce wait. They introduced special serrations and cuttings inside it. Now this feature is more important. It helped to settle dust and particles that would gather up inside the dust cover with passage of time and field use. Now this provided better reliability at guide rod level.

XMen
04-09-2009, 06:17 PM
X man tell your expierence about np22 and 34 which will you term a better one in terms of reliabilty and accuracy

Dear Dr. Zakir
Both weapons are 90% the same the only difference is the barrel size its only depands upon your usage if you to conceal carry then go for NP34 and for target shotting you need longer barrel so i keep the both, In terms of reliability & accuracy for NP 22 if you change the grip it would be more reliable and accuracy level increase, NP 34 is yet reliable but accuracy level for more than 25m is an issue hopes this clarify

Irttyza
04-09-2009, 07:49 PM
@Ka-Khan and Taj bro thanks for the replies. Do you think that plastic guide rods would affect reliability and are they durable? cause the rod is made of really good material.
Plastic guide rod by desi craftsmen is not a good idea indeed.. its better to get a metal rod instead.
anyway Gora replaced their metal rod with palstic ones to reduce wait. They introduced special serrations and cuttings inside it. Now this feature is more important. It helped to settle dust and particles that would gather up inside the dust cover with passage of time and field use. Now this provided better reliability at guide rod level.

Thanks for the reply my fried got one metal guide rod for his pistol from lahore somewhere.200rs, great buy if u ask me. Thanks for helping :)