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ACHILLES
07-09-2015, 11:52 PM
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MY NEW CQD ; close quarter defence ; and SHORT TO MEDIUM RANGE SNIPER WITH RESPECTIVE ACCESSORIES FOR THE JOB. :)

ACHILLES
07-09-2015, 11:58 PM
Yes i know HD tool

BreakNeck
07-09-2015, 11:59 PM
Very nice Package. Please accept mubaraks. Is everything displayed here included in package? Please share price and dealer too. Last but not the least, what caliber is this?

ACHILLES
08-09-2015, 12:02 AM
Thanks first, package included rifle and magazines , calibre is .223

ACHILLES
08-09-2015, 12:04 AM
aim-point, bi-pod ,scope, light, mounts, handgaurd, short TDI vertical front grip, pistol grip, sling are my old purchases.

ACHILLES
08-09-2015, 12:06 AM
Now they found host tool to reside on. lol lol lol

Abbasp07
08-09-2015, 09:41 AM
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MY NEW CQD ; close quarter defence ; and SHORT TO MEDIUM RANGE SNIPER WITH RESPECTIVE ACCESSORIES FOR THE JOB. :)

Wow bro congrats on a beautiful looking rifle and excellent accessories. What do those magazines hold and the little one? So you got three mags with the rifle? Very nice sir

Asif Ali
08-09-2015, 10:01 AM
Congrats ACHILLES bro :)

khan tanoli
08-09-2015, 11:28 AM
Congratulation ACHILLES on your superb puchase.

ajmal virk
08-09-2015, 11:36 AM
many congrats for thus beast.

hmd
08-09-2015, 03:27 PM
Congrats bro very nice setup . One of the best out there in AKs .

Raja_Fraz
08-09-2015, 10:19 PM
Congrats bro... no doubt its a beautiful gun & really like the pistol grip..!! can u plz share the price & its availlability ?

Topak
10-09-2015, 08:40 AM
Mubarak. its beast .

FA226
10-09-2015, 05:15 PM
Congratulations bro.simply beautiful.

Khalil
10-09-2015, 05:41 PM
Congrats bro... no doubt its a beautiful gun & really like the pistol grip..!! can u plz share the price & its availability ?

and some light shedding on its performance.. too...

hmd
10-09-2015, 09:34 PM
Bro did it came with 3 mags .

ACHILLES
11-09-2015, 01:58 PM
Abbasp07, Asif Ali, khan tanoli , ajmal virk, hmd, Raja_Fraz, Topak, FA226, Khalil thank you very much for appreciation and kind words. As yet to do rock n roll so would update on performance later. Gun comes with three magazines and i got it with three.

hmd
11-09-2015, 09:49 PM
Abbasp07, Asif Ali, khan tanoli , ajmal virk, hmd, Raja_Fraz, Topak, FA226, Khalil thank you very much for appreciation and kind words. As yet to do rock n roll so would update on performance later. Gun comes with three magazines and i got it with three.
That's nice to hear that you got all the mags and was not stolen by the dealer which mostly happens . Did you check how much extra mags were for thanks .

malik94
12-09-2015, 12:10 AM
Mashallah bro great gun and awesome accessories congrats!

fezan
13-09-2015, 10:16 PM
Beautiful .... A+

fezan
13-09-2015, 10:17 PM
Achilles what's the price tag?

ACHILLES
14-09-2015, 12:51 AM
extra magazines are available but price is not according to my wishes. they r 12k

Khalil
14-09-2015, 11:54 AM
Dear can u Pllzz share the price & availability of this gun, or you will keep the silence till the passions is over.

Safdar Mahmood Khan
16-09-2015, 09:52 PM
Congratulation ACHILLES on your fantastic SMG.It sure looks like you mean business when you got this in your hands.

DR_AFRIDI
17-09-2015, 02:11 PM
Yes i know HD tool
congrats dear,wats the difference between this and the one with steel butt and wooden part instead of plastic?

Desert lion
29-09-2015, 11:32 PM
Nice gun congratulations how much pay for this
Anyone telling about saiga .308 hunting rifle available in Lahore?

zia raza
30-09-2015, 03:36 AM
congrats dear,wats the difference between this and the one with steel butt and wooden part instead of plastic?
To me there is no difference except for furniture ( fore end, grip and butt stock)

SAJJAD ALI
30-09-2015, 04:55 AM
this gun is available at Guns&accessories zamzama asking price is 300k.extra 40rd mag 15k

zia raza
30-09-2015, 10:16 AM
this gun is available at Guns&accessories zamzama asking price is 300k.extra 40rd mag 15k
Brother u r a rich man...and G&A guys know it, thats why they quote u higher rates..

Aebak
30-09-2015, 12:18 PM
Brother u r a rich man...and G&A guys know it, thats why they quote u higher rates..

Zia bro u got that right :) these guys know how to push your buttons and how much to push you over the edge :kev:
They quoted me 350k a while back, I must look really rich then (:crazy: what a mistake)

hmd
30-09-2015, 01:15 PM
Brother u r a rich man...and G&A guys know it, thats why they quote u higher rates..
Brother what should be a reasonable price for this rifle .

Ali D
30-09-2015, 01:50 PM
Brother what should be a reasonable price for this rifle .

If Peshawar prices will be any help!

Saiga 223 in AK 74 shape, plastic non folding butt: 190 k demand
Saiga 5.45 in AK 74 shape, plastic folding stock: 190 k
Saiga MK3 223 in Paratroopers model plastic folder: 220

Humbly request all brothers not to be impatient. The markets will be flooded with Russian and Chinese weapons for the coming couple of years.

zia raza
30-09-2015, 02:02 PM
Brother what should be a reasonable price for this rifle .
ANYWHERE between 235-250.. i myself got the synthetic wali in 250k in initial stages when it arrived.. later a friend purchased in 240k from saddar armoury and just recently i have been offered the wooden version in 235k ...

zia raza
30-09-2015, 02:14 PM
If Peshawar prices will be any help!

Saiga 223 in AK 74 shape, plastic non folding butt: 190 k demand
Saiga 5.45 in AK 74 shape, plastic folding stock: 190 k
Saiga MK3 223 in Paratroopers model plastic folder: 220

Humbly request all brothers not to be impatient. The markets will be flooded with Russian and Chinese weapons for the coming couple of years.

which one is paratrooper model? pic will be more helpful if

watanyaar
30-09-2015, 03:06 PM
The 223 bore and 5.56 diffrents bore?

D3AD!
30-09-2015, 04:46 PM
The 223 bore and 5.56 diffrents bore?
It is a never ending debate,
Theoraticaly following statement is said by many gun experts:
5.56x45 NATO has slightly bigger throat than commercial .223 reason for bigger throat is that 5.56x45 is a military round and military mostly uses heavier bullets(projectiles) and armor piercieng ammo from time to time, to decrease initial turbulance and to accomodate heavier projectiles larger throat of 5.56x45 is used as a compensation this results in production of greater pressure if used in .223 chamber because it is designed for bullets with shorter neck i-e .223 that is why many people who use 5.56x45 in .223 chambers say that 5.56x45 is a hotter round while in reality both 5.56x45 and .223 have almost same shell size and dimensions and almost same loadings. Because 5.56x45 has a bigger throat which produces higher pressure in .223 chamberings it is not considered a safe practice to use 5.56x45 in .223 chambered barrel on opposite .223 can be used safely in 5.56x45 chambered barrel.
contrary to this i have witnessed people using 5.56x45 in .223 chamberings and vise versa.
In my personal opinion one should only use the specific ammo that is designated for your gun barrel, to avoid reduction of barrel life and above all for his own safety while shooting.
In west due to vast popularity of AR rifles many barrel makers are now producing hybrid kind of barrels which use both 5.56x45 and .223. in short it can be called a dual chamber barrel.
Hope this helps..........

Ali D
30-09-2015, 04:55 PM
which one is paratrooper model? pic will be more helpful if

My bad brother. It's the one with wood furniture and side folding metal butt stock.

Bobba
30-09-2015, 06:21 PM
Ali D, which dealer has 5.45 Saiga in190K???

Aebak
30-09-2015, 10:13 PM
If Peshawar prices will be any help!

Saiga 223 in AK 74 shape, plastic non folding butt: 190 k demand
Saiga 5.45 in AK 74 shape, plastic folding stock: 190 k
Saiga MK3 223 in Paratroopers model plastic folder: 220

Humbly request all brothers not to be impatient. The markets will be flooded with Russian and Chinese weapons for the coming couple of years.

Totally concur with you bro, because as of last year both the Russian Saiga and Veper Ak designs have been banned in the US Market. The Chinese Ak designs have been banned for a few years in the US now, there is ample production of these 2 brands and they are willing to export them anywhere at very good prices. It seems now that the PK importers have established a business link with these two suppliers, we are gonna get a lot of them at a pretty reasonable price here soon.

hmd
01-10-2015, 12:02 AM
It is a never ending debate,
Theoraticaly following statement is said by many gun experts:
5.56x45 NATO has slightly bigger throat than commercial .223 reason for bigger throat is that 5.56x45 is a military round and military mostly uses heavier bullets(projectiles) and armor piercieng ammo from time to time, to decrease initial turbulance and to accomodate heavier projectiles larger throat of 5.56x45 is used as a compensation this results in production of greater pressure if used in .223 chamber because it is designed for bullets with shorter neck i-e .223 that is why many people who use 5.56x45 in .223 chambers say that 5.56x45 is a hotter round while in reality both 5.56x45 and .223 have almost same shell size and dimensions and almost same loadings. Because 5.56x45 has a bigger throat which produces higher pressure in .223 chamberings it is not considered a safe practice to use 5.56x45 in .223 chambered barrel on opposite .223 can be used safely in 5.56x45 chambered barrel.
contrary to this i have witnessed people using 5.56x45 in .223 chamberings and vise versa.
In my personal opinion one should only use the specific ammo that is designated for your gun barrel, to avoid reduction of barrel life and above all for his own safety while shooting.
In west due to vast popularity of AR rifles many barrel makers are now producing hybrid kind of barrels which use both 5.56x45 and .223. in short it can be called a dual chamber barrel.
Hope this helps..........
Very well explained bro .

hmd
01-10-2015, 12:03 AM
If Peshawar prices will be any help!

Saiga 223 in AK 74 shape, plastic non folding butt: 190 k demand
Saiga 5.45 in AK 74 shape, plastic folding stock: 190 k
Saiga MK3 223 in Paratroopers model plastic folder: 220

Humbly request all brothers not to be impatient. The markets will be flooded with Russian and Chinese weapons for the coming couple of years.
Thanks bro

hmd
01-10-2015, 12:05 AM
ANYWHERE between 235-250.. i myself got the synthetic wali in 250k in initial stages when it arrived.. later a friend purchased in 240k from saddar armoury and just recently i have been offered the wooden version in 235k ...
That's a good price bro I might give you a buz soon to guide me in right direction .

FA226
01-10-2015, 12:23 AM
If Peshawar prices will be any help!

Saiga 223 in AK 74 shape, plastic non folding butt: 190 k demand
Saiga 5.45 in AK 74 shape, plastic folding stock: 190 k
Saiga MK3 223 in Paratroopers model plastic folder: 220

Humbly request all brothers not to be impatient. The markets will be flooded with Russian and Chinese weapons for the coming couple of years.

Thanks for the update bro.

SAJJAD ALI
01-10-2015, 01:54 AM
Brother u r a rich man...and G&A guys know it, thats why they quote u higher rates..

lolz i am not that rich brother.can you help me in buying a 5.56 rifle for me ???contact me on sajjadsoomro1988@gmail.com
it would be grateful if you could help me

watanyaar
01-10-2015, 12:29 PM
Thanks D3AD!.brother.
For nice shering.

Aebak
01-10-2015, 02:26 PM
ANYWHERE between 235-250.. just recently i have been offered the wooden version in 235k ...

Zia bro, just curious as to what kind of a stock comes with the wooden version: fixed, metal under-folding, or side-folding?

zia raza
01-10-2015, 03:57 PM
Zia bro, just curious as to what kind of a stock comes with the wooden version: fixed, metal under-folding, or side-folding?

brother its side folding skeleton style .. same as krinkov35893

zia raza
01-10-2015, 04:18 PM
lolz i am not that rich brother.can you help me in buying a 5.56 rifle for me ???contact me on sajjadsoomro1988@gmail.com
it would be grateful if you could help me

brother will love to help u, but plz make sure u haven't committed or are in process to finalize the deal with any of the dealer.. if ur deal is about to done , i will suggest u to carry on with that and next time take forum help and do proper research... and if u are not bound then i am very much available.. but i am again saying make sure u haven't committed , coz it will only spoil the relation and against business ethics..
check ur e-mail

Aebak
01-10-2015, 07:22 PM
brother its side folding skeleton style .. same as krinkov

Thanks bro, that would look awesome! :roll:

Ali D
01-10-2015, 08:45 PM
Ali D, which dealer has 5.45 Saiga in190K???

National Arms. Two shops from Fakhr Alam. But do negotiate the price.

Aquarius
04-10-2015, 08:15 AM
Wonderful purchase ACHILLES bro.. happy shooting.

Khalil
05-10-2015, 04:30 PM
aim-point, bi-pod ,scope, light, mounts, handgaurd, short TDI vertical front grip, pistol grip, sling are my old purchases.

And the price?

Bobba
05-10-2015, 06:27 PM
AK in .223????
Wrong caliber.

Col
06-10-2015, 01:51 AM
AK in .223????
Wrong caliber.

Whats wrong in it

Khalil
06-10-2015, 09:49 AM
AK in .223????
Wrong caliber.

Dear Bobba!
Its not wrong. where you can see and A.R in 7.62X39, here you can see an AK in 5.56 or .223. Just like a polar shift, its a caliber shift.

FA226
06-10-2015, 10:07 AM
Dear Bobba!
Its not wrong. where you can see and A.R in 7.62X39, here you can see an AK in 5.56 or .223. Just like a polar shift, its a caliber shift.

Even AAC made 300blk (7.6235)to be used in AR platform just barrel needs to be replaced every thing else remains the same.

D3AD!
06-10-2015, 11:15 AM
300 blackout is actually:
7.62x39(projectile) + 5.56x45/.223(shell case) = AAC300 blackout.
If our gun laws would have been flexible,
Then conversion kits of .22lr for 5.56x45/.223 AR might have been sold here like a hot cake keeping 7.62 as PB.

FA226
06-10-2015, 02:01 PM
300 blackout is actually:
7.62x39(projectile) + 5.56x45/.223(shell case) = AAC300 blackout.
If our gun laws would have been flexible,
Then conversion kits of .22lr for 5.56x45/.223 AR might have been sold here like a hot cake keeping 7.62 as PB.

Bro 300blk is not 7.62x39mm its 7.62x35mm bullet diameter is 7.8mm and parent case is .223 but case length is 34.7mm.

Desert lion
06-10-2015, 02:50 PM
300 AAC Blackout (7.6235mm)
Parent case
221 Fireball/.223 Rem

Case type
Rimless, Bottleneck

Bullet diameter
0.308 in (7.8 mm)

Neck diameter
0.334 in (8.5 mm)

Base diameter
0.376 in (9.6 mm)

Rim diameter
0.378 in (9.6 mm)

Case length
1.368 in (34.7 mm)

Overall length
2.26 in (57 mm)

Rifling twist
1:7

Primer type
Small rifle

Maximum pressure (SAAMI)
55,000 psi (380 MPa)

Maximum pressure (CIP)
62,366 psi (430.00 MPa)

Maximum CUP
52000 CUP

D3AD!
06-10-2015, 03:08 PM
@FA226, Desert lion
Thanks for the correction brothers
7.62x39 has 7.92mm diameter
and AAC 300Blackout has 7.8mm so actually there is a different of around 1mm.
thanks again....

FA226
06-10-2015, 04:30 PM
@FA226, Desert lion
Thanks for the correction brothers
7.62x39 has 7.92mm diameter
and AAC 300Blackout has 7.8mm so actually there is a different of around 1mm.
thanks again....

You are welcome bro.

Desert lion
06-10-2015, 06:14 PM
Welcome sir

hmd
07-10-2015, 12:17 AM
It's a good cartridge but only practical in US . I have shot it and the recoil is slightly more then the 5.56 it's abviously a heavy bullet and it recoils back that's my experience with it not some thing which is not manageable . As a gun enthusiast we should keep our mind open for every system but at the same time every one have their own opinion likes and dislike .

Desert lion
07-10-2015, 12:52 AM
Hmd Brother this caliber available in Pakistan?

D3AD!
07-10-2015, 07:24 AM
No, It (AAC300 blackout) is not availble in pakistan.

hmd
07-10-2015, 02:20 PM
Hmd Brother this caliber available in Pakistan?
No bro it is not available in Pakistan and not in near future till NATO adopt this caliber . The only new caliber which is also good and used with LEA is 6.8 SPC that also very limited .

Desert lion
07-10-2015, 09:12 PM
Oky brother where you shoot this caliber

hmd
07-10-2015, 11:13 PM
Oky brother where you shoot this caliber
In USA Las Vegas Navada .

Desert lion
07-10-2015, 11:56 PM
Brother I'm impressed

Khalil
09-10-2015, 01:59 PM
brother its side folding skeleton style .. same as krinkov35893

Dear Brother!
is this stock available separately? if yes, where and what is the price?

durrani
09-10-2015, 08:53 PM
Nice and beautiful, Congratz.

zia raza
10-10-2015, 05:24 PM
this style is very common and easily available with almost all the local manufacturer..

Ali D
18-02-2016, 06:48 AM
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MY NEW CQD ; close quarter defence ; and SHORT TO MEDIUM RANGE SNIPER WITH RESPECTIVE ACCESSORIES FOR THE JOB. :)

Brother how does this gun fare at the range in terms of accuracy at 100 meters and beyond. Are there any issues with cycling NATO ammo. Would appreciate ur feed back.

HamzahF
10-04-2016, 12:19 PM
AOA Senior Members,

I am a newbie just about to get his first rifle. My knowledge of the Lahore market/dealer rappo is equally nascent. I was looking into the CQA 5.56 but didn't quite like the feel of the thing. Seemed a little loosely put to together with a shimmy between the upper and receiver and the collapsible stock was also too 'plastic'. I believe it can be made to look and feel good with some aftermarket accessories. Gathering from whats written here, the merit seems to be that its chambered in 5.56 which would make it more of a pocket friendly - regular shooter. I was quoted 165K for the piece.

I have also read good things about the Saiga and Vepr products. If i go the AK way, i'm not sure if i can find 5.56 or .223 chambered weapons. Most of them show up as 5.45 which i believe is costly to sustain in terms of ammo prices. I would want it to look like this, with a side - folding stock, although i am not sure whats in the photo (i.e. Vepr or Saiga):

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I request that the senior members guide me on quality difference especially between Saiga and Vepr, ongoing prices and stocked dealers for both these items in Lahore.

Regards.

Aquarius
10-04-2016, 03:09 PM
AOA Senior Members,

I have also read good things about the Saiga and Vepr products. If i go the AK way, i'm not sure if i can find 5.56 or .223 chambered weapons. Most of them show up as 5.45 which i believe is costly to sustain in terms of ammo prices. I would want it to look like this, with a side - folding stock, although i am not sure whats in the photo (i.e. Vepr or Saiga):

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I request that the senior members guide me on quality difference especially between Saiga and Vepr, ongoing prices and stocked dealers for both these items in Lahore.

Regards.

Both are Saiga.. the upper one with long barrel is .222 & the lower in pic with short barrel is .223.. price of both is around 200k in Peshawar.. don't know about Lahore prices.

HamzahF
10-04-2016, 04:34 PM
Both are Saiga.. the upper one with long barrel is .222 & the lower in pic with short barrel is .223.. price of both is around 200k in Peshawar.. don't know about Lahore prices.

Are 30 round mags available for the lower one? 5.45 is an expensive round to be a weekend shooter.

hmd
10-04-2016, 05:42 PM
AOA Senior Members,

I am a newbie just about to get his first rifle. My knowledge of the Lahore market/dealer rappo is equally nascent. I was looking into the CQA 5.56 but didn't quite like the feel of the thing. Seemed a little loosely put to together with a shimmy between the upper and receiver and the collapsible stock was also too 'plastic'. I believe it can be made to look and feel good with some aftermarket accessories. Gathering from whats written here, the merit seems to be that its chambered in 5.56 which would make it more of a pocket friendly - regular shooter. I was quoted 165K for the piece.

I have also read good things about the Saiga and Vepr products. If i go the AK way, i'm not sure if i can find 5.56 or .223 chambered weapons. Most of them show up as 5.45 which i believe is costly to sustain in terms of ammo prices. I would want it to look like this, with a side - folding stock, although i am not sure whats in the photo (i.e. Vepr or Saiga):

36364

I request that the senior members guide me on quality difference especially between Saiga and Vepr, ongoing prices and stocked dealers for both these items in Lahore.

Regards.
Bro go for Saiga 5.45x39/.222 . Yes the round is going to be double the price of 5.56 but it's best to use 5.45 or 7.62 from AK system and it will last you a life time . If you want to go for 5.56 CQA is value for money the cheapest you will find in AR and does a good job for the money you will pay for it . If I have to chose one I will go for Saiga . The only thing is it will come with 2 10 round mags you have to buy separately the 30 rounder mags .

HamzahF
10-04-2016, 09:23 PM
Bro go for Saiga 5.45x39/.222 . Yes the round is going to be double the price of 5.56 but it's best to use 5.45 or 7.62 from AK system and it will last you a life time . If you want to go for 5.56 CQA is value for money the cheapest you will find in AR and does a good job for the money you will pay for it . If I have to chose one I will go for Saiga . The only thing is it will come with 2 10 round mags you have to buy separately the 30 rounder mags .

Thanks for elaborate response brother. I am myself inclined towards the Saiga. Any idea on what one should pay for one in Lahore and which dealer has good stock? Also, do both versions with the longer and short barrel come with the 10 - round only mags?

hmd
10-04-2016, 09:56 PM
Thanks for elaborate response brother. I am myself inclined towards the Saiga. Any idea on what one should pay for one in Lahore and which dealer has good stock? Also, do both versions with the longer and short barrel come with the 10 - round only mags?
Bro I can tell you about Khi price I bought it a month and a half back for 215k again thanks to Zia for guideing me with the price . I don't know about Lahore price might be less . Recently prices have shot up so lahore member can guide you better .

sto0pid
12-05-2016, 11:24 PM
Guys whats the price of this ( saiga 223 short barrel version ) in karachi? Saadar Armory quoting 360k! Please share if you have other sources where I can get one for less.

2559135
01-06-2016, 11:37 PM
Today I tested my newly purchased weapon thoroughly, it went well.

I fired approximately 900 rounds in almost one hour and all went smooth, however 2 times there was a double feed issue but it was cleared and the weapon resumed firing.

Weapon shot effectively at 100 meters on the target but at increased distance the rounds opened up at greater distance it may also be taken as shooter error as I m not a good marksman.

The magazines insertion is not smooth and requires continous practice unlike in the smg where it fixes easily on the magazine assembly.

The only drawback I felt was it's butt stock which was not at all comfortable, besides that the weapon is reliable.

I am sorry that I did not take the pics as I did not have someone with me who could take pics.

zia raza
02-06-2016, 04:19 AM
Today I tested my newly purchased weapon thoroughly, it went well.

I fired approximately 900 rounds in almost one hour and all went smooth, however 2 times there was a double feed issue but it was cleared and the weapon resumed firing.

Weapon shot effectively at 100 meters on the target but at increased distance the rounds opened up at greater distance it may also be taken as shooter error as I m not a good marksman.

The magazines insertion is not smooth and requires continous practice unlike in the smg where it fixes easily on the magazine assembly.

The only drawback I felt was it's butt stock which was not at all comfortable, besides that the weapon is reliable.

I am sorry that I did not take the pics as I did not have someone with me who could take pics.

Woooohhhoooo... in one hour 900 rouds...its more of like torture test.. i will take 3 months to shoot tis much rounds..
how is the muzzle break, any sort of discoloration or tearing colour flake or colr crack evidence on close examination...
Did u cleaned the riffle in between... did u cleaned it afterwords what was the condition of internal any burnt marks or excessive carbon deposits... how hot did barrel got , was it smoking....on what number of count u faced ur 1st and 2nd double feed......

Its good that rifle has sustained 900 count.. afterall its ak... but i wont recomend tis torture coz of 2 reasons..
1... the muzzle break is fixed... and small barrel throws much more pressure ...
2.. its the civilian based.223 rifle and we spit green tips which i know doesent matters but to me it do matters.. atleast i do break in of rifle i.e approx 400 round with the stated caliber..

100 mtrs is not bad... if u want tighter groups shoot slowly.. practically its for 75m dead accurate.. but yes u can do tan tan tan on steel plates of 2x2 from 175m on normal speed...
What i have observed as the barrel get hotter the tightness of the grouping reduces.. it might be due to tired shoulder

Muhammad m
02-06-2016, 08:29 AM
cmon
the term torture ak 47s dont mix.

hmd
02-06-2016, 12:05 PM
Today I tested my newly purchased weapon thoroughly, it went well.

I fired approximately 900 rounds in almost one hour and all went smooth, however 2 times there was a double feed issue but it was cleared and the weapon resumed firing.

Weapon shot effectively at 100 meters on the target but at increased distance the rounds opened up at greater distance it may also be taken as shooter error as I m not a good marksman.

The magazines insertion is not smooth and requires continous practice unlike in the smg where it fixes easily on the magazine assembly.

The only drawback I felt was it's butt stock which was not at all comfortable, besides that the weapon is reliable.

I am sorry that I did not take the pics as I did not have someone with me who could take pics.

That is a lot of round in one go . At how much distance your group started to get open and how many inches a part . Over all in my opinion it was a good result inshallah will be be picking up this rifle at the end of month looking forward for it .

2559135
02-06-2016, 04:29 PM
zia raza;494458]Woooohhhoooo... in one 900 rouds...its more of like torture test.. i will take 3 months to shoot tis much rounds..
how is the muzzle break, any sort of discoloration or tearing colour flake or colr crack evidence on close examination...

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During the fire no such symptoms were observed, after firing 200 to 250 rounds, the first stoppage occured which was cleared The second stoppage occurred when I had crossed 500 rounds mark. Interestingly I also removed the flash hider and fired one mag and believe me it sound changed from small arms fire to Anti air gun fire with a large flash. It made me realise never to do such thing with this weapon again especially in between continous fire where the barrel is already hot.




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Did u cleaned the riffle in between... did u cleaned it afterwords what was the condition of internal any burnt marks or excessive carbon deposits... how hot did barrel got , was it smoking....on what number of count u faced ur 1st and 2nd double feed......


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No I did not clean the weapon during the complete session, the barrel got extremely hot after firing 250 rounds and it was difficult to hold the handguard then therefore I had to take 10 min break.

I cannot say about the internal parts as I deposited the weapon for cleaning and I left immediately,so far I have not collected the weapon yet I will do it tomorrow and strip it and then see what are the after affects on the internal parts of the rifle.


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Its good that rifle has sustained 900 count.. afterall its ak... but i wont recomend tis torture coz of 2 reasons..
1... the muzzle break is fixed... and small barrel throws much more pressure ...
2.. its the civilian based.223 rifle and we spit green tips which i know doesent matters but to me it do matters.. atleast i do break in of rifle i.e approx 400 round with the stated caliber..

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Agreed bro but I intentionally went for this torture test as it is my belief that I have spent more than 200k on this Russian weapon so it should speak out itself that I am worth that price, now I am also satisfied that I can spend on the expensive accessories for modification.
My normal firing session does not exceed 300 to 400 rounds but this I had to see.


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100 mtrs is not bad... if u want tighter groups shoot slowly.. practically its for 75m dead accurate.. but yes u can do tan tan tan on steel plates of 2x2 from 175m on normal speed...
What i have observed as the barrel get hotter the tightness of the grouping reduces.. it might be due to tired shoulder


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I used 25 to 30 Ltr cooking oil cans filled with sand as targets. On 100 m I put in lots of holes but as I went to 200 I did not see much of sand coming out from them. There can be several reasons but I m no expert so I can't comment.

Lastly the butt stock, it was not at all comfortable and I mean it made me bring my weapon from shoulder to my right arm grip, the butt stock needs replacement

2559135
02-06-2016, 04:39 PM
Hmd bro
I did not focus on the grouping as it was not what I wanted to see, nor did I went to see on the targets but at 100 m the targets was repeatedly hit but after going on 200 m I felt I m not a good shooter

ajmal virk
02-06-2016, 04:39 PM
I have only one question where did you fire 900 rounds?

2559135
02-06-2016, 04:41 PM
I have only one question where did you fire 900 rounds?
It was fired in Karachi

ajmal virk
02-06-2016, 04:47 PM
did not they call armed forces??

2559135
02-06-2016, 04:55 PM
did not they call armed forces??

Why would they........

2559135
02-06-2016, 07:47 PM
Woooohhhoooo... in one hour 900 rouds...its more of like torture test.. i will take 3 months to shoot tis much rounds..
how is the muzzle break, any sort of discoloration or tearing colour flake or colr crack evidence on close examination...
Did u cleaned the riffle in between... did u cleaned it afterwords what was the condition of internal any burnt marks or excessive carbon deposits... how hot did barrel got , was it smoking....on what number of count u faced ur 1st and 2nd double feed......

Its good that rifle has sustained 900 count.. afterall its ak... but i wont recomend tis torture coz of 2 reasons..
1... the muzzle break is fixed... and small barrel throws much more pressure ...
2.. its the civilian based.223 rifle and we spit green tips which i know doesent matters but to me it do matters.. atleast i do break in of rifle i.e approx 400 round with the stated caliber..

100 mtrs is not bad... if u want tighter groups shoot slowly.. practically its for 75m dead accurate.. but yes u can do tan tan tan on steel plates of 2x2 from 175m on normal speed...
What i have observed as the barrel get hotter the tightness of the grouping reduces.. it might be due to tired shoulder

Pics of the parts to elaborate further

http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/03342559135/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG-20160602-WA0008_zps6mtmproe.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/03342559135/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG-20160602-WA0007_zpsg8vlugi3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/03342559135/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG-20160602-WA0006_zpsxwpw1o02.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2
http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/03342559135/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG-20160602-WA0005_zpszbyxlma5.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3

http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/03342559135/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG-20160602-WA0002_zpslg43njyk.jpg.html?sort=3&o=5

http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/03342559135/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG-20160602-WA0003_zps6ydpnllc.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4

Xcuse the poor quality of the pics

hmd
02-06-2016, 08:49 PM
Hmd bro
I did not focus on the grouping as it was not what I wanted to see, nor did I went to see on the targets but at 100 m the targets was repeatedly hit but after going on 200 m I felt I m not a good shooter
Thanks for the update bro . Good review I guess you are the only one to went through this much round with this rifle .

2559135
03-06-2016, 10:18 AM
Thanks for the update bro . Good review I guess you are the only one to went through this much round with this rifle .

Thankx hmd bro
Please do inform when you pick up yours

hmd
03-06-2016, 06:11 PM
Thankx hmd bro
Please do inform when you pick up yours
Inshallah for sure .

Safdar Mahmood Khan
03-06-2016, 11:19 PM
Only if a Tactical Saiga MK-03's looks could kill :D

Muhammad m
04-06-2016, 12:14 AM
that flash hider is a pain to remove .I can't get to do it

Muhammad m
04-06-2016, 12:15 AM
Only if a Tactical Saiga MK-03's looks could kill :D

more people die of fear of dying than firearms

2559135
04-06-2016, 12:35 AM
that flash hider is a pain to remove .I can't get to do it

There is a small pin 📍 type lever at the end of the muzzle press that through a knife and then rotate, it will easily come off.

Muhammad m
04-06-2016, 03:52 PM
yes that I know
ak brakes open clock wise too
but I just can't get to do it

Muhammad m
05-06-2016, 03:14 AM
amazingly I found out today that mag has a limiter in it allowing only 10 rounds.

open3d and fixed it

Muhammad m
07-06-2016, 05:31 PM
modified it to shopt ftom a closed stock.
there is a small mechanism that engages a lever
it's connected with the safety lever

2559135
07-06-2016, 06:38 PM
modified it to shopt ftom a closed stock.
there is a small mechanism that engages a lever
it's connected with the safety lever

In other words u removed the closed butt fire safety 👍

FA226
07-06-2016, 08:22 PM
modified it to shopt ftom a closed stock.
there is a small mechanism that engages a lever
it's connected with the safety lever
That's good you got rid of the useless thing.
it's for Russia where law says it's illegal to own a gun capital of firing while being less then 80cm in length.

Ali D
08-06-2016, 05:06 PM
modified it to shopt ftom a closed stock.
there is a small mechanism that engages a lever
it's connected with the safety lever

Does the procedure involve a hammer and chisel. Or just some screwdriver work. Feels terrible messing around with a new gun.

Muhammad m
08-06-2016, 05:09 PM
I can't post pics here since it's hectic

remove the safety lever
you will see that the bottom of the safety sits inside a socket of a mechanism that moves back and forth when you move the safety

break the wall that is on the back of the socket
don't break the front wall

Muhammad m
08-06-2016, 05:12 PM
I can post on pakGuns facenook page
check there

Ali D
08-06-2016, 05:17 PM
I can't post pics here since it's hectic

remove the safety lever
you will see that the bottom of the safety sits inside a socket of a mechanism that moves back and forth when you move the safety

break the wall that is on the back of the socket
don't break the front wall

BREAK! The word scares me when associated with a brand new gun. Am just so lousy with my hands.
Plz do share the pics so I can share with gun Smith. When I got my gun the shop owner offered to remove the safety and I was like hell no.
Thanks bro.

2559135
12-07-2016, 11:46 PM
My Saiga with Zenit accessories installed.

http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/03342559135/library/Mobile%20Uploads?sort=3&page=1

Next plan is to change the butt stock with M4 style butt.

pakistanitoup
13-07-2016, 10:20 AM
My Saiga with Zenit accessories installed.

http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/03342559135/library/Mobile%20Uploads?sort=3&page=1

Next plan is to change the butt stock with M4 style butt.


nice gun. dear share ammo and gun price. how is it performance ?

stay safe

2559135
13-07-2016, 02:41 PM
nice gun. dear share ammo and gun price. how is it performance ?

stay safe

Bro I have so far fired 1600 rounds through it and Allhumdulillah I am very happy with it. Accuracy Is very good upto 100 yards after that one has to practice but that also varies with shooter to shooter.

Ammo price in Karachi varies from 70 to 80 per round.

BTW I bought this in 220k.

pakistanitoup
13-07-2016, 03:49 PM
Bro I have so far fired 1600 rounds through it and Allhumdulillah I am very happy with it. Accuracy Is very good upto 100 yards after that one has to practice but that also varies with shooter to shooter.

Ammo price in Karachi varies from 70 to 80 per round.

BTW I bought this in 220k.



range is less due to its barrel length but still its a lethal tool.

i think old military ammo of 5.46x39 is expensive.

considering the ammo prices shoot less, save some and buy new stuff. just a friendly advice.
congrats

2559135
13-07-2016, 05:10 PM
range is less due to its barrel length but still its a lethal tool.

i think old military ammo of 5.46x39 is expensive.

considering the ammo prices shoot less, save some and buy new stuff. just a friendly advice.
congrats

True sir now I plan to save on the ammo and start looking for its accessories. And this is 223, 5.45 ammo crosses 120 mark in Karachi.

pakistanitoup
13-07-2016, 05:26 PM
True sir now I plan to save on the ammo and start looking for its accessories. And this is 223, 5.45 ammo crosses 120 mark in Karachi.

556 ball ammo was 35-40/ round here AFAIR

well you can stop investing more on this and buy another item coz further investment will not increase its value. consider it at max level of modifications.

HamzahF
14-07-2016, 12:58 PM
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35865&stc=1
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35866&stc=1
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35867&stc=1

MY NEW CQD ; close quarter defence ; and SHORT TO MEDIUM RANGE SNIPER WITH RESPECTIVE ACCESSORIES FOR THE JOB. :)
AOA Brother, what you have done with your AK is the far side of inspirational, bravo. I myself have a SGL31-95 chambered in 5.45x39. Sadly enough, it only came with 2 x 10 round mags. I am looking for 30 rounder mags and an accessory or two. Can you please advise on where these can be had?

JazakAllah Khair.

HamzahF
14-07-2016, 01:01 PM
My Saiga with Zenit accessories installed.

http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/03342559135/library/Mobile%20Uploads?sort=3&page=1

Next plan is to change the butt stock with M4 style butt.

AOA Brother, Lovely MK03 you have there. I was going through your photobucket shares. Is your username the same as your cell number? If you dont mind, may i call you? I am looking for black IZHMASH 30 round mags for the 5.45x39 caliber, like the ones you have on yours and a few other accessories. I would be grateful if you can advise me on where to buy these.

JazakAllah Khair.

2559135
14-07-2016, 02:50 PM
AOA Brother, Lovely MK03 you have there. I was going through your photobucket shares. Is your username the same as your cell number? If you dont mind, may i call you? I am looking for black IZHMASH 30 round mags for the 5.45x39 caliber, like the ones you have on yours and a few other accessories. I would be grateful if you can advise me on where to buy these.

JazakAllah Khair.

Sure bro u can.

But why
23-09-2016, 04:15 AM
My Saiga with Zenit accessories installed.

http://s1305.photobucket.com/user/03342559135/library/Mobile%20Uploads?sort=3&page=1

Next plan is to change the butt stock with M4 style butt.

Beautiful ,,congrats ..have fun stay safe

fezan
29-09-2016, 11:57 AM
Saiga pair
5.45 vs 5.56

fezan
29-09-2016, 12:08 PM
Short mag is 5.45
No difference other than fixed Muzzle brake at 5.45, while it can be removed from 5.56
This Saiga5.56 has stock safety removed by default but 5.45 still has it.
01 10-rd mag with 5.45.
02 mags with 5.56 (10-rd & 30-rd)

fezan
29-09-2016, 12:11 PM
I purchased another rifle couple of months ago. It was full length Saiga5.56 with fixed solid Stock
It came with 02 30-rds mags at that time.

5.45 is for 185k & 5.56 is 190k

pakistanitoup
29-09-2016, 12:12 PM
Saiga pair
5.45 vs 5.56


very nice.

5.56 Saiga eats nato rounds ?

fezan
29-09-2016, 12:25 PM
Offcourse. Greentip, AP, SP anything

pakistanitoup
29-09-2016, 12:51 PM
Offcourse. Greentip, AP, SP anything

very nice. AK Platform is robust and reliable. it has stamped receiver if i am not wrong. barrel chrome lined or not ? and share pics of internals if possible.

fezan
29-09-2016, 04:16 PM
Yes it has stamped receiver. Not sure but I think barrel is chromed.
Internals are 100% same as standard Ak74

pakistanitoup
29-09-2016, 04:31 PM
Yes it has stamped receiver. Not sure but I think barrel is chromed.
Internals are 100% same as standard Ak74

very nice and congrats

Enigmatic Desires
29-09-2016, 05:31 PM
If ammo price of the 5.45 round is so expensive should not the 5.45 calibre rifle not be cheaper?

Asif Ali
29-09-2016, 08:21 PM
Saiga pair
5.45 vs 5.56
Congrats Faizan bro :)

But why
29-09-2016, 09:43 PM
Saiga pair
5.45 vs 5.56

Cool ,, Ma sha Allah ..

hmd
30-09-2016, 01:04 AM
Saiga pair
5.45 vs 5.56
What an awesome couple .

pakistanitoup
30-09-2016, 10:53 AM
If ammo price of the 5.45 round is so expensive should not the 5.45 calibre rifle not be cheaper?

it should be. coz ammo prices plays part in determining the price of weapon. but this is Pakistan you know.

FA226
30-09-2016, 12:02 PM
Saiga pair
5.45 vs 5.56

MashahAllah.very nice bro.

fezan
30-09-2016, 03:55 PM
Thank you Everyone for liking.

Khalil
02-10-2016, 03:03 PM
I wonder, how both these contender ammo will perform in the same plate form. 5.45x39 in its traditional setup of AK, while 5.56x45 in the rival setup. In terms of long term use for regular shooters, 5.56 will be more economic compared to 5.45x39 here in Pakistan.

Heartily congratulations.

fezan
02-10-2016, 08:30 PM
Thanks.
I think Saiga 5.56 is a real deal. Cheap ammo and reliable rifle, What else do we need?
1x7.62= 2x5.56
1x5.45= 5x5.56
1x.22LR= 1x5.56
-----فرق صاف ظاہر ہے-----

Ali D
02-10-2016, 09:15 PM
Thanks.
I think Saiga 5.56 is a real deal. Cheap ammo and reliable rifle, What else do we need?
1x7.62= 2x5.56
1x5.45= 5x5.56
1x.22LR= 1x5.56
-----فرق صاف ظاہر ہے-----

Bro whats the story of extra thirty rounders for the Saiga 5.56. How much are they for?

fezan
02-10-2016, 11:40 PM
10-12 k I guess

Mian Jee
04-10-2016, 05:21 PM
@fezan

Nice couple bro.

Is Saiga .223 still available in full length?

hmd
04-10-2016, 05:31 PM
@fezan

Nice couple bro.

Is Saiga .223 still available in full length?
Yup The gun Store have them in KHI .

Mian Jee
04-10-2016, 05:36 PM
Yup The gun Store have them in KHI .

That's great, i didn't liked .223 Saiga because of it's short barrel, now i can make a couple of Saiga's as well.

fezan
04-10-2016, 07:38 PM
@fezan

Nice couple bro.

Is Saiga .223 still available in full length?

Yes sir, it is available. I don't know HOW but dealers just got a fresh lot.
Best rate is at Badrudin, Rwp 190(-5k+)

shahroze
04-10-2016, 07:45 PM
Import band hay is BS.
Hira arms got a shipment of turkish box lock doubles. A shotgun enthusiast was telling me. They are absolutely beautiful according to him priced at 200k.
I'd want to see them if anyone wants to tag along.

FA226
04-10-2016, 09:37 PM
Import band hay is BS.
Hira arms got a shipment of turkish box lock doubles. A shotgun enthusiast was telling me. They are absolutely beautiful according to him priced at 200k.
I'd want to see them if anyone wants to tag along.

Will appreciate if you can share some pics of those if possible ,when you visit.

Aebak
10-11-2016, 02:42 AM
A great video for Saiga Lovers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laYMa5xhTQc

HamzahF
09-12-2016, 06:02 PM
35865
35866
35867

MY NEW CQD ; close quarter defence ; and SHORT TO MEDIUM RANGE SNIPER WITH RESPECTIVE ACCESSORIES FOR THE JOB. :)

Dear Achilles,

Can you please advise on where to get these black polymer mags for the 5.45x39 saigas? Mine came with the 10 round mags and i cant seem to find these.

Thanks in advance.

Ali D
13-12-2016, 11:36 AM
Dear Achilles,

Can you please advise on where to get these black polymer mags for the 5.45x39 saigas? Mine came with the 10 round mags and i cant seem to find these.

Thanks in advance.

Bro the mags in the pics are for the 5.56 cal round. Your 5.45 cal rifle will take the regular AK74 Russian or Bulgarian poly or Bakelite mags. They are retailing for around Rs 6000 for a good mag.

pakistanitoup
13-12-2016, 12:43 PM
Bro the mags in the pics are for the 5.56 cal round. Your 5.45 cal rifle will take the regular AK74 Russian or Bulgarian poly or Bakelite mags. They are retailing for around Rs 6000 for a good mag.
Dear any update on AK mags. 30 and 40 rounders.

Ali D
13-12-2016, 01:10 PM
Dear any update on AK mags. 30 and 40 rounders.

New 30 round NATO ones with bolt stopper for between 2000-2500. Can get Russian ones in good condition for 1800-2000. Plus retailers are still duping unsuspecting customers. AKs and related stuff is like leprosy these days over here in KPK. So depends how you bargain since there aren't many buyers for the AK and its stuff. The LEA's pounce at anything looking like an AK.

If you want can ask for latest prices?

pakistanitoup
13-12-2016, 02:40 PM
New 30 round NATO ones with bolt stopper for between 2000-2500. Can get Russian ones in good condition for 1800-2000. Plus retailers are still duping unsuspecting customers. AKs and related stuff is like leprosy these days over here in KPK. So depends how you bargain since there aren't many buyers for the AK and its stuff. The LEA's pounce at anything looking like an AK.

If you want can ask for latest prices?
yes for sure dear. get me latest prices and track some for me. i need some supplies for my Gunny. Bakelite, nato, bulgarian. any we can get cheap.

HamzahF
13-12-2016, 03:12 PM
Bro the mags in the pics are for the 5.56 cal round. Your 5.45 cal rifle will take the regular AK74 Russian or Bulgarian poly or Bakelite mags. They are retailing for around Rs 6000 for a good mag.

Can you help me find some brother? I am looking for true black izhmash or bulgarian 5.45 magz, 30 rounders, brand new.

pakistanitoup
13-12-2016, 03:33 PM
Can you help me find some brother? I am looking for true black izhmash or bulgarian 5.45 magz, 30 rounders, brand new.
whats your location ?

Ali D
13-12-2016, 09:51 PM
[QUOTE=pakistanitoup;499612]yes for sure dear. get me latest prices and track some for me. i need some supplies for my Gunny. Bakelite, nato, bulgarian. any we can get cheap.[/QUOTE
Will find out for you.

Ali D
13-12-2016, 09:54 PM
Can you help me find some brother? I am looking for true black izhmash or bulgarian 5.45 magz, 30 rounders, brand new.
Bro new Izmash I haven't seen in peshawar. Am talking about used Bulgarian and Russian poly mags. Finding ak74 mags in good condition is becoming difficult. Will ask around and let you know.

pakistanitoup
14-12-2016, 11:03 AM
Bro new Izmash I haven't seen in peshawar. Am talking about used Bulgarian and Russian poly mags. Finding ak74 mags in good condition is becoming difficult. Will ask around and let you know.
Bulgarian and Russian poly mags= i want some. i have a circle 10 bulgarian mint condition Ak also. never fired in 18-19 years. just paying govt fees on licence :clap2:

hmd
14-12-2016, 11:16 AM
Bulgarian and Russian poly mags= i want some. i have a circle 10 bulgarian mint condition Ak also. never fired in 18-19 years. just paying govt fees on licence :clap2:

Wow bro Bulgarian AK in mint condition lucky you . Bulgarian AKs are as good as any Russian AKs but now days to find a good mint condition piece is very hard .

pakistanitoup
14-12-2016, 12:08 PM
Wow bro Bulgarian AK in mint condition lucky you . Bulgarian AKs are as good as any Russian AKs but now days to find a good mint condition piece is very hard .
when Chinese pinpack Ak was for 6-8k, this one was bought for 15-16k and it was not Pinpack. but once you open it and look at its parts/barrel. you will know why double price was paid at that time.

hmd
14-12-2016, 03:27 PM
when Chinese pinpack Ak was for 6-8k, this one was bought for 15-16k and it was not Pinpack. but once you open it and look at its parts/barrel. you will know why double price was paid at that time.

I am sure bro mint condition Bulgarian AKs are gem and a keeper . Same will happen with Saiga and Vepr AKs when they will dry up and no imports .

pakistanitoup
14-12-2016, 04:30 PM
I am sure bro mint condition Bulgarian AKs are gem and a keeper . Same will happen with Saiga and Vepr AKs when they will dry up and no imports .
Aks are something that will never dry because they were never imported and still we have them alot of them.

HamzahF
14-12-2016, 04:52 PM
Bro new Izmash I haven't seen in peshawar. Am talking about used Bulgarian and Russian poly mags. Finding ak74 mags in good condition is becoming difficult. Will ask around and let you know.

On a side note,is it possible to import these?

hmd
15-12-2016, 11:44 AM
On a side note,is it possible to import these?

Bro normally when a dealer imports a rifle or a pistol they import extra mags with it but on our side when they import they do not import extra mags they simply just take out one from the rifle box . As far as i know Izmash mags was never imported please correct me if i am wrong .

FA226
15-12-2016, 02:07 PM
Bro normally when a dealer imports a rifle or a pistol they import extra mags with it but on our side when they import they do not import extra mags they simply just take out one from the rifle box . As far as i know Izmash mags was never imported please correct me if i am wrong .

Yes bro you are right they just steal one from the rifle they sell.if a handgun comes with three mags you will never see the third one.
Even when i bought my shadow i got two mags.and then i had to buy two extra spending more money.

pakistanitoup
15-12-2016, 02:41 PM
Yes bro you are right they just steal one from the rifle they sell.if a handgun comes with three mags you will never see the third one.
Even when i bought my shadow i got two mags.and then i had to buy two extra spending more money. its kind of them that they even give us 1 extra Mag. there will be a time, they will give guns without mags and will tell us we cannot import mags and they are smuggled and bla bla

HamzahF
15-12-2016, 04:27 PM
whats your location ?

I'm in Lahore. Guys, this is getting frustrating, where most all dealers are coming up dry. Any help in this regard will be highly appreciated.

FA226
15-12-2016, 10:30 PM
its kind of them that they even give us 1 extra Mag. there will be a time, they will give guns without mags and will tell us we cannot import mags and they are smuggled and bla bla

Yes bro they do it in dara with rifles like Ak or M16 you dont get a single mag you pay for it separately.

hmd
16-12-2016, 12:33 AM
Yes bro they do it in dara with rifles like Ak or M16 you dont get a single mag you pay for it separately.
Hahaha so they are already practicing .

pakistanitoup
16-12-2016, 10:52 AM
Hahaha so they are already practicing .
see !! our dealers are still kind to us :thumb:


Yes bro they do it in dara with rifles like Ak or M16 you dont get a single mag you pay for it separately. they hang guns like lamb meat and chicken at Karahi houses. in other markets, Bara etc they give you atleast one mag for rifle and one extra mag for pistols. Darra dynamics are different.


I'm in Lahore. Guys, this is getting frustrating, where most all dealers are coming up dry. Any help in this regard will be highly appreciated. Double the price in Lahore. transportation cost will make your mags expensive.

Enigmatic Desires
16-12-2016, 01:11 PM
Ohhh so thats why when I would ask for the 3rd mag as advertised by the manufacturers and available in other countries. The dealers here always said that we only got 2.

FA226
16-12-2016, 05:58 PM
Ohhh so thats why when I would ask for the 3rd mag as advertised by the manufacturers and available in other countries. The dealers here always said that we only got 2.
Now you got it Bro.they sell the third one separately.most of hundguns come with two mags but like CZ shadow and canik pt9 and so on were imported with 3 magazine but only few lucky people got them with 3.

HamzahF
30-01-2017, 05:05 PM
Bulgarian and Russian poly mags= i want some. i have a circle 10 bulgarian mint condition Ak also. never fired in 18-19 years. just paying govt fees on licence :clap2:

Any chance you might want to let go of that circle10 mag brother?

Bilal Bin Muhammad
23-09-2017, 04:43 PM
Hi all
M a new one to pak guns
I want to buy .223 saiga frm Lahore
Please suggest a good dealer with price idea ..