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Sohaib Hassan
03-08-2009, 02:24 AM
Salam Members!
Im attaching pictures of my father's 8mm bolt action gun , my father buy that gun from darra and that was the personal gun of my father,s friend (friendship from cadet college kohat). now that man is having his personal weapon shops at darra. I want to ask that the label on gun i.e 1917 Remington is original or not and the signs (red circled) on gun are from any well known company or not?
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03-08-2009, 02:52 AM
i dont think its darra made gun. its original remington model what so ever. this gun made me remember of those guns, which we used to carry during parades. i mean that bolt machanism.

only some senior member who has more knowledge about those models/aromorys can confirm. that was just my opinion about this gun

Adeel Ahmad
03-08-2009, 11:44 AM
Sohaib welcome to the Forum.
It seems to be an original Remington and the Model of 1917 was the most widely used small arm by the United States Expeditionary Force in WWI. They were used more then the 1903 Springfield. Alvin York used an Eddystone M1917 and a Colt 1911 on the day that he earned the CMH. The Model of 1917 was produced in three places. In the Winchester Factory, the Remington Factory in Ilion NY, and by a subsidiary of Remington, at the Baldwin Locomotive Works in Eddystone,PA. While all three are fine weapons it has seemed that the Winchester is the most sought after (and most expensive) followed by Remington and Eddystone.
Hopefully Ahmad Bhai can take it one step further.
An extremely nice Collector's Item.

03-08-2009, 12:08 PM
@Adeel bro don't u think that this rifle has been rechambered for 8x57. america's standard cal. was 30-06 during that time or did they produce the rifles in 8mm cal. too as its german origin?

03-08-2009, 12:14 PM
@Adeel bro don't u think that this rifle has been rechambered for 8x57. america's standard cal. was 30-06 during that time or did they produce the rifles in 8mm cal. too as its german origin?

it doesnot look a re-chambered rifle as the 8x57 is punched on it.

03-08-2009, 12:30 PM
but the difference of punching ic clear.

03-08-2009, 01:21 PM
the gun has been punched for sure ,if u see the numbers they are not properly balanced
cant say whether it is original or not coz these are the pics and i wount say anything untill and unless i will take it in my hands

03-08-2009, 01:37 PM
i think gun is original but afterwords re chambered for 8x57

Sohaib Hassan
03-08-2009, 03:44 PM
Thanks to all members for sharing opinions and Adeel Ahmad bhi for giving good information. One more question from members that is it possible that bolt mechanism of that gun is original but its barrel has been changed and if i want to have scope on that then at Rawalpindi, Islamabad any shop that fix scope on guns with precision?
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Silent killerr
03-08-2009, 05:46 PM
very graceful bolt action Rifle.

03-08-2009, 08:58 PM
just imagine its damage. :|


03-08-2009, 11:35 PM
30-06 was the standard US military calibre in that era. This gun has probably been rechambered and the barrel possibly changed or re-bored. That "8x57MM" marking is not original. Firstly, because calibres rarely have "mm or inches" written after the numericals, and secondly, millimetres are always abbreviated in the lowercase, i.e "mm" not "MM".

Adeel Ahmad
04-08-2009, 11:43 AM
Guys his question was only about weapon being original or not. He did not ask the rest of specifications. Imu has already put it rightly that one cannot be sure until one holds it.
Sohaib. from what i can make from the pictures is that its Bolt Action Mechanism is still original. Kindly visit United Arms in Saddar and he might be able to help but i dont think that Scope is a possibility.

06-08-2009, 04:28 PM
It seems to be an original, looks very much like one my friend's dad has, I noticed that the "M's" and the "7's" don't match, so most probably that was engraved or stamped later. so most probably re bored.

08-08-2009, 02:03 PM
old is gold

21-11-2010, 07:56 AM
i am in pindi contact me i can help u.......and........m looking for one 8mm do u wana sell dis gun if yes kindly lame know?

21-11-2010, 09:34 AM
Value able information. It is a P17 Remington Rifle. The 8 x 57 was stamped later at DARRA as 8x57 was a German Cartridge and not American.
8X 57 military surplus ammo was and still is lying in abundance in Darra so this rifle was stamped as an 8x57. I am not sure whether it was re-barreled; in all probability the bore was enlarged from .300 to .315 to shoot the .323 bullets with out excessive presures. This was done by using bits in hook cutting devices employed usually in Darra, I have seen M1 Garrands also similarly converted to 8X57 from 30-06.

25-05-2011, 12:50 PM
hi brother it seems original gun.

26-05-2011, 12:45 AM
This rifle has a micrometer style rear sight. The distance scale is on the right side. You twist the round knob on top to set the distance. The standard Remington 1917 had a ramp style rear sight. If this rifle was rechambered from "30-06" to 8X57, then the original "30-06" marking should be on the rifle. If "30-06" marking has been removed by grinding, this fact should be readily apparent.

I wonder where the serial number is on this rifle. Are there any other markings?