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durrani
29-07-2009, 10:55 PM
Aslam o Alakm
I have been a member for quite a while read a lot about nearly all the guns that I know except one that I like most ie MAKAROV .I would love to have ur valued comments .
Thank you

hasnaincfa
29-07-2009, 11:20 PM
The Makarov PM (Pistolet Makarova, muh-KAR-uhv, Russian: ???????? ????????) is a semi-automatic pistol design from the early 1940s known as "9mm Ultra" by Carl Walther G.m.b.H. of Zella Mehlis for the German Luftwaffe which was transferred to the Soviet Union in 1945. Under the project leadership of Nikolay Fyodorovich Makarov, it became the Soviet Union's standard military side arm from 1951-1991.

hasnaincfa
29-07-2009, 11:24 PM
Cartridge :9x18mm Makarov
Action :Blowback
Muzzle velocity :315 m/s
Effective range :50 m (54.7 yd)
Feed system :8-round detachable box magazine (10- and 12-round available on some special Russian models)
Sights :Blade front, notch rear (adjustable for drift)

hasnaincfa
29-07-2009, 11:34 PM
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7554/81654002.th.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqVS8AJ)

Dr Zakir
30-07-2009, 01:26 AM
old is gold

hasnaincfa
30-07-2009, 01:56 AM
yup old is gold, i have this and lovie it, soon post the pics.

Enigmatic Desires
30-07-2009, 03:02 AM
Does any 1 know whats the military side arm of the russian army today...
I was under the impression its stil the mak

Wajahat
30-07-2009, 03:29 AM
MP-443 Grach and GSh-18 are replacing the maks now


http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/70/64177054.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

GSH 18 info:

Type: Double Action Only
Chamber: 9x19mm Luger / Parabellum (also 9x19mm +P+)
Weight with empty magazine: 580 g
Length: 183 mm
Barrel length: 103 mm
Capacity: 18 rounds



http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9346/50073277.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

Yarygin PYa / MP-443 "Grach" pistol info:

Type: Double Action
Caliber: 9x19 mm 7N21 (9mm Luger/Para)
Weight unloaded: 950 g (with empty magazine)
Length: 198 mm
Barrel length: 112 mm
Capacity: 17 rounds

Enigmatic Desires
30-07-2009, 03:59 AM
MP-443 Grach and GSh-18 are replacing the maks now


http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/70/64177054.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

GSH 18 info:

Type: Double Action Only
Chamber: 9x19mm Luger / Parabellum (also 9x19mm +P+)
Weight with empty magazine: 580 g
Length: 183 mm
Barrel length: 103 mm
Capacity: 18 rounds



http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9346/50073277.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

Yarygin PYa / MP-443 "Grach" pistol info:

Type: Double Action
Caliber: 9x19 mm 7N21 (9mm Luger/Para)
Weight unloaded: 950 g (with empty magazine)
Length: 198 mm
Barrel length: 112 mm
Capacity: 17 rounds


Nice guns.. Dont know much bout em. hav'nt seen em around. i assume they are not available to the general public

Zubair
30-07-2009, 11:16 AM
MP-443 newer polymer version is availabe as MP-446 VIKING. I have it & am waiting for the 7N21 ammo :P
GSH-18 is not being exported by RUSSIA & is supposed to be a handgun with the lowest recoil because of its interesting rotating barrel design.

Topak
30-07-2009, 11:59 AM
MAK is good pistol by looks,i have just heard its sound.....

Enigmatic Desires
30-07-2009, 03:21 PM
MP-443 newer polymer version is availabe as MP-446 VIKING. I have it & am waiting for the 7N21 ammo :P
GSH-18 is not being exported by RUSSIA & is supposed to be a handgun with the lowest recoil because of its interesting rotating barrel design.

its available to the general public??

How much does it cost?

Zubair
30-07-2009, 05:21 PM
MP-446 viking is available for around 65K

CougarMan
30-07-2009, 08:12 PM
the Makarov PM (not others) is the AK47 of pistols. Ultra reliable, very simple, minimal number of parts and reasonably potent (8+1 of 9x18)). Its made of steel, relatively flat and compact, highly accurate and durable. You cannot ask for anything more. Only problem is lack of ammo variety in Pakistan as well as cost.

FYI, Russian spetsnaz still prefer the Makarov:

http://www.spike.com/full-episode/green-beret-vs/32039

Starfish
30-07-2009, 08:25 PM
the Makarov PM (not others) is the AK47 of pistols. Ultra reliable, very simple, minimal number of parts and reasonably potent (8+1 of 9x18)). Its made of steel, relatively flat and compact, highly accurate and durable. You cannot ask for anything more. Only problem is lack of ammo variety in Pakistan as well as cost.


With repect, I disagree. The tokarov (TT) is the ak47 of pistols :)
Not saying its better than mak. Just that its more like the ak than a mak is.

Enigmatic Desires
30-07-2009, 08:42 PM
With repect, I disagree. The tokarov (TT) is the ak47 of pistols :)
Not saying its better than mak. Just that its more like the ak than a mak is.


Ok how bout the ak-74 of pistols. :D

Shariq
30-07-2009, 09:58 PM
Well said ED :)

Starfish
30-07-2009, 11:08 PM
With repect, I disagree. The tokarov (TT) is the ak47 of pistols :)
Not saying its better than mak. Just that its more like the ak than a mak is.


Ok how bout the ak-74 of pistols. :D

Sure :p

KageFox
30-07-2009, 11:29 PM
The Makarov was a Russian attempt at copying the German Walther PP after World War II, as they were not fully satisfied with their wartime sidearm, the TT-33, which was issued in a hurry. Some accounts even state that the trials (for the TT-33) were biased in its favor, due to some political affiliation of the creator, and a better design was ignored.

Anyway, I must say the Russians succeeded... greatly.... in their copy of the Walther. A good pistol, packing greater punch than the Walther (9x18mm vs 9x17mm AKA .380Auto). The Makarov, unlike the Tokarev, is fitted with a safety and decocker, if I'm not mistaken. The only point the Mak loses to the Tokarev is the range and penetration of the 7.62x25mm bullet (which is capable of piercing Class II Armor, as I read on the net yesterday). Our esteemed member, Conceal Carry has a beautiful Mak, along with an equally practical carry platform.

Sorry for such a long post... just couldn't keep the info bottled up :D. Btw, are Maks available in Pakistan, commonly?

Abu Hafs
31-07-2009, 02:33 AM
Sorry for such a long post... just couldn't keep the info bottled up :D.


Why the apology bro? Its always a pleasure to read your informative posts :).

Please do share any and all information you come across. Don't bottle it up bro get it off your chest :D

Enigmatic Desires
31-07-2009, 03:17 AM
Kagefox. the whole purpose of the forum is to ensure we dont keep our knowledge bottled up..
Yups maks are available. in fact the first gun I ever carried was a freind's mak .. waay back in the mid 90s.

The only issue is the ammo.. the 9m Mak round is not as common as the 9mm parebellum

Bhatti
31-07-2009, 05:29 AM
whats the price of mak in local market

Topak
31-07-2009, 03:54 PM
mak was quoted 65k in Gujranwala about six months ago and bullet 70 PKR each.

CougarMan
31-07-2009, 09:53 PM
Sorry Starfish, but it IS the Mak which is considered the AK47 of pistols not the TT.

My personal experience has also shown that, especially with locally made versions of both. I have never seen any Mak jam, but cannot say that about the TT.

The Mak also has a much easier and faster field stripping procedure. It is way better than the TT or the PPK with the 9x18 round offering better performance than the .380 and less penetration than the .30 TT without the excessive penetration. And the bullet will make a bigger hole.

It is a much safer pistol, with a proper safety and de cocker (and DA/SA). Safety also locks the slide, making it easier for holster less carry. Barrel is fixed like the PPK, so accuracy is up to you. You can also swap the barrel for a .380, but this is more difficult to procure.

The Makarov PM is available in Pakistan in Russian, Chinese and Pakistani versions (quality in decending order). They are obviously not as common as the ubiquitous TT, but are present in the market.

If you get a chance to buy one, do so.

KageFox
31-07-2009, 10:40 PM
@Cougarman: I have no experience with either, but I fully concur with you on the Mak's safety feature as well as the SD capabilities of the 9x18mm Makarov round. Over-penetration is indeed a problem in many SD situations, as the 7.62x25mm TT round tends to zip through fleshier parts of the body without causing much damage, which the 9mm Mak is slower in comparison.

Starfish
01-08-2009, 12:20 PM
Sorry Starfish, but it IS the Mak which is considered the AK47 of pistols not the TT.

My personal experience has also shown that, especially with locally made versions of both. I have never seen any Mak jam, but cannot say that about the TT.

The Mak also has a much easier and faster field stripping procedure. It is way better than the TT or the PPK with the 9x18 round offering better performance than the .380 and less penetration than the .30 TT without the excessive penetration. And the bullet will make a bigger hole.

It is a much safer pistol, with a proper safety and de cocker (and DA/SA). Safety also locks the slide, making it easier for holster less carry. Barrel is fixed like the PPK, so accuracy is up to you. You can also swap the barrel for a .380, but this is more difficult to procure.

The Makarov PM is available in Pakistan in Russian, Chinese and Pakistani versions (quality in decending order). They are obviously not as common as the ubiquitous TT, but are present in the market.

If you get a chance to buy one, do so.

cougarman: i totaly agree with you on this post, the mak is a wonderful pistol, safe , very good for SD and all.
but these are the exact reasons why i consider this NOT to be like the AK :)
consider these:
Do you think ak was meant to be on the defensive side or the offensive one?
do you think the ak round was meant NOT to overpenetrate?
what is the price of a third party manufacture mak compared to TT? (similarly what is the price of AK compared to others like say an m16?)
what is the price of a mak round compared to TT? (and what is the price of an AK round compared to other riffles))?
How easily can you get a mak round and how easily can you get a tt round?
can you get a mak in tanzania? somalia? eastern europe? more easily than a TT?
is the mak cheaper to manufacture or is TT cheaper to manufacture?
have you seen a gorrila fighter in africa carry maks?
Are there more Maks in the world than the TT?

These are the reasons why i consider TT to be the AK of pistols. Its NOT mean to be safe, its meant to be ready to fire at all times. its meant to be more powerful than most handguns out there (without caring about over penetration). its meant to be cheap and easily manufactured. its round is readily available and is cheap as well, plus its everywhere just like the AK.

AK is meant to be a rugged, overpowered and cheap assault riffle. so is the TT. Mak is all things finesse.

Again, i consider Mak to be a better pistol than the TT. its very safe, reliable, easy to carry and all. The best part is, it has a certain finesse which TT doesnt. and thats exactly why its not comparable to the AK.

In simple words, AK and TT consider quantity to be a better option than quality. Mak focuses a bit more on quality and finesse.
in the words of Joseph stalin, "Quantity has a quality all its own" :)
i hope i make my point of view clear and dont take me wrong i agree with you that the Mak is a better pistol and is definitely what i would like to have if given the option between a TT and Mak.
Having said all this, I totally respect your opinion as well :)

Enigmatic Desires
05-08-2009, 08:42 PM
I agree with U starfish. i have handled both.. the TT oodles of times an the mak onse. but the mak is a mak is a mak.

How ever african guerrillas (cant say much bout African 'gorrillas :D)
of ZANLA fighting Ian Smith's forces in Rhodesia under Robert Mugabe had maks.

ZANLA had its bases in then mozambique and in the late 70s it was firmly under the Soviet thumb.

Starfish
05-08-2009, 09:18 PM
I agree with U starfish. i have handled both.. the TT oodles of times an the mak onse. but the mak is a mak is a mak.

How ever african guerrillas (cant say much bout African 'gorrillas :D)
of ZANLA fighting Ian Smith's forces in Rhodesia under Robert Mugabe had maks.

ZANLA had its bases in then mozambique and in the late 70s it was firmly under the Soviet thumb.
hahaha, you re right about Rhodesia and I see that you have done your homework :P
I appreciate that :)

Enigmatic Desires
07-08-2009, 06:20 PM
Naah.. just finished reading an excellent book about the conflict "Hyena dawn"

Topak
12-09-2009, 03:40 PM
what is crrunt value of mak now?

Malik1
12-09-2009, 07:32 PM
I was offered a Makarov by one of my friends around two months ago for some thing like 30-35 K (although a used one). I regretted at that time as I was looking for a Stoeger Couger. I now realize that it was a nice offer, however, this gives rise to a suspicion. Do we have clones of Makarov sailing in the Market? Anybody, any info? It might have been a clone?????????

Ka_Khan
12-09-2009, 07:40 PM
Havent seen Makarov clone.Its really strange....

KageFox
12-09-2009, 09:34 PM
Though Norinco, China makes or used to make a Mak clone, by the name of NP19.

Ahmad
12-09-2009, 09:38 PM
there were lot of clones of makarov offered in early 2000s but they were not successful as mak has a leaf spring instead of coil as a main spring. so the gun bang usually after 2nd or 3rd strike. they were selling around at 6-7 k at that time. plenty of them will be still floating around
cheers

Conceal Carry
15-09-2009, 08:48 PM
I have one for the last 12 years and it's my carry choice. Compact, reliable, dependable, durable, simple, solid, accurate, easy to maintain, easy to conceal.

Ka_Khan
16-09-2009, 12:52 AM
Today i was having some GupShup with a former Afghan soldier of the soviet erra.He was very fond of Makarov but said its now hard to find even in Kabul.

Topak
16-09-2009, 11:26 AM
I saw a MAK clone in Gujranwala about four months ago..dealer was insisting it is original and price is 15K of NIB( yeh baat kuch hazam nahi hui. :lol: )
as i have checked original maks but never fired it..i know its quality.
any how if you want i can check it.
maks are very rear now..about 15 years ago one of my friend bought it in 12k and that time clone was 8k.(he told me that there are pak made maks and no one can judge them..i wonder)

Conceal Carry
17-09-2009, 10:55 PM
Yes! there are Derra made clones, but if you have seen / handeled the original you can easily identify a cloe.

Ilyas
17-09-2009, 11:10 PM
I think a good piece should not be less than 40-45k these days. I saw some clones few weeks ago, but didn't check any
personally coz I was in hurry.

Ka_Khan
17-10-2009, 11:49 PM
Update in the thread:
Today saw Maks in the Jamrud market.Demand was 55 K.

Slayerjatt
19-10-2009, 01:41 AM
thanks for the update sir.:)

Aamar
26-10-2009, 02:36 PM
I have a MAKAROV in perfect/mint condition and have a Neoprene Grip on it, which makes it even prettier and easier to handle .....

http://s3.postimage.org/14sE50.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq14sE50)

Abu Al Hawl
26-10-2009, 02:42 PM
Aamar, good piece bro, is it original Russain MAK ?

Aamar
26-10-2009, 02:42 PM
Yes it is :D

Abu Al Hawl
26-10-2009, 02:44 PM
do you need an offer :)

Aamar
26-10-2009, 02:49 PM
It would have to be a real nice offer to interest me, as these guns are rare and are hard to find, the neoprene grip is also difficult to come by ;)

Abu Al Hawl
26-10-2009, 03:05 PM
cud i have some more close-ups plz

Aamar
26-10-2009, 03:24 PM
will take some pics tonight 4 u .....

Enigmatic Desires
26-10-2009, 04:20 PM
That... aamar sahib.. would be appriciated!!

It was the very 1st gun I ever handled..

Fahim
26-10-2009, 04:57 PM
I saw one wid a guy here in Kabul. he is an afghan staff in the office.! he bought it long time back.! he says i can arrange one for u but takin it back home would be a big problem these days.!

SAJJAD ALI
27-10-2009, 01:36 AM
http://s4.postimage.org/SDoY9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVSDoY9)

http://s3.postimage.org/1bLjgA.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq1bLjgA)

http://s4.postimage.org/SFlb9.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVSFlb9)
purchased 2 months ago in 4k.

faisal balouch
27-10-2009, 05:05 AM
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7554/81654002.th.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqVS8AJ)
can anybody clearify why 1975 written on that mak?

Faisji
27-10-2009, 07:46 AM
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7554/81654002.th.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqVS8AJ)
can anybody clearify why 1975 written on that mak?

That means that this particluar gun is made in 1975 for russian military.

KageFox
27-10-2009, 05:26 PM
4K for a Makarov... ain't bad at all. What is the cost per round these days?

SevenMagnum
27-10-2009, 05:41 PM
Now days Russian Makerov in mint condition is around 55k. Price Rs. 60 to 70/ catridge

Ahmad
27-10-2009, 08:14 PM
@sajad is this gun original or it is clone, clone were available around 10k last time i checked

Enigmatic Desires
27-10-2009, 08:53 PM
4k?? For an original Soviet mak?? :o

KageFox
27-10-2009, 10:04 PM
If the clone works well.... why not???

I think China (Norinco) makes or used to make a Mak clone...

Slayerjatt
27-10-2009, 10:48 PM
yes kf they make mak clones. i saw them when i was at norinco shooting range. you can see them in pics in my post.

SevenMagnum
27-10-2009, 10:49 PM
yes they were for sale in pakistan

KageFox
27-10-2009, 10:55 PM
Oh yeah, I remember the pics from your trip to Beijing... there was a Mak in there...

Conceal Carry
27-10-2009, 10:57 PM
It must be a local clone, original russians fetch anywhere between 30~40 depending on condition.


4K for a Makarov... ain't bad at all. What is the cost per round these days?

SevenMagnum
27-10-2009, 11:01 PM
not 30 or 40 but its rather 50 or 55k.

Slayerjatt
27-10-2009, 11:06 PM
i think chinese clones would be much more reliable then local ones. anyone knows about their availability here?

Conceal Carry
27-10-2009, 11:31 PM
You mademe richer by 15K.:D


not 30 or 40 but its rather 50 or 55k.

SevenMagnum
27-10-2009, 11:34 PM
And my self by 35k

Ka_Khan
27-10-2009, 11:48 PM
Mak copy locally made available @ 5K.
Saw a copy with origional barrel @10K.
Origional Maks @55K
These are Latest prices.

Fahim
28-10-2009, 12:01 AM
thanx for the info Ka_khan.!

SevenMagnum
28-10-2009, 12:05 AM
thanks ka_khan

SAJJAD ALI
28-10-2009, 12:59 AM
@sajad is this gun original or it is clone, clone were available around 10k last time i checked
yes it is pak made.this pistol is atleast 5 year used.

SAJJAD ALI
28-10-2009, 01:10 AM
4K for a Makarov... ain't bad at all. What is the cost per round these days?
pak made ammo is Rs:25 per round.

KageFox
28-10-2009, 01:12 AM
I guess by Pak-made, you mean Darra-made.... Haven't really heard good things about Darra ammo...

SAJJAD ALI
28-10-2009, 01:21 AM
I guess by Pak-made, you mean Darra-made.... Haven't really heard good things about Darra ammo...
nowadays they are improving in quality of ammo.last time i fired 40 darra made tt bullets in my pistol belive me no FTF & FTE.the brand was ARMY.the green bullets.