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TAREEN
26-07-2009, 12:00 PM
A short article on stock characteristics.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6415/15593449.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)
This Winchester stock design increases the amount of recoil that is felt.

Notice how the comb (top surface of this stock) slopes upward. This shape causes a rifle to recoil back - right into shooter's face. This stock design almost always delivers brutal recoil. The 30-30 Win. is not a powerful caliber by any means, but just shoot one of these Winchesters, and one will feel a whole lot more recoil than he should. It's mostly due to this stock design. The angle of the butt plate is another problem. The top of the butt plate is slanted to the rear, and that causes recoil to pound the upper part of your shoulder. This is the very worst stock design there is for comfortable shooting.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6691/81224318.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)
This particular Remington stock recoils straight back. It's much better.

Notice how the comb of this stock is perfectly parallel with the barrel. This allows the rifle to recoil straight back along (but not into) your face. This stock design is a major improvement, and you'll feel a great deal less recoil with this stock design. The angle of this butt plate is also much better than the Winchester. It's still slanted slightly to the rear, (but not as much) and it delivers recoil lower on your shoulder where it's more comfortable. A well designed recoil pad obviously reduces recoil even more.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7797/47996581.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)
This type of (e.g. Weatherby) stocks are well designed, and one will feel much less recoil with this stock design.

Notice how the front of the comb on this stock slopes downward. This allows the rifle to recoil straight back, and away from your face. This stock design also delivers recoil to your shoulder the way it should. However, the butt plate is still not "perfectly" perpendicular to the barrel. The top of the butt is slanted "very slightly" to the rear. This puts recoil just a bit high on your shoulder. Changing this angle just enough to make it perpendicular to the barrel would make the recoil feel noticably lighter, especially when shooting from the prone position or from a bench.

Thanx to Larry W.

Ahmad
26-07-2009, 12:16 PM
@tareen lala nice read.
i think the stock of lever action is designed to help in manipulating the lever at fast speed, so they compromise on recoil. one other fact is that these rifles were in pistol calibers such as 44-40,38-40, 32-20 & finally 45 LONG COLT so managing recoil was not an issue. actually the tubular action cannot be utilized for any bullet which has a sharp pointing bullet as they can cause CHAIN REACTION in the magazine under recoil as the pointing nose of one bullet will strike the primer of next bullet. Lever actions that were designed for powerful calibers such as Winchester 1895 was equipped with box magazines, although stock profile is same.

TAREEN
26-07-2009, 12:33 PM
Ahmad bhai.......GREAT input, as usual.

In general, these days, most guns are in either stock type 2 or 3 so its not much to worry unless they are buying something classic. And then again, classics have to have some unique characteristics.

hasnaincfa
26-07-2009, 12:37 PM
very informative!

Ahmad
26-07-2009, 01:11 PM
& tareen it means straight stock shot guns will have more recoil than pistol grip stocks
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3429/98723624.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)
so gun # 1 & 3 will have more recoil than gun in the middle. i think drop at heel also plays a role in recoil of the gun. 12 gauge might explain it in more detail.

12GAUGE
26-07-2009, 02:55 PM
& tareen it means straight stock shot guns will have more recoil than pistol grip stocks
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3429/98723624.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)
so gun # 1 & 3 will have more recoil than gun in the middle. i think drop at heel also plays a role in recoil of the gun. 12 gauge might explain it in more detail.


Brother, straighter the stock, lesser the recoil, lesser the muzzle jump as the recoil is directed in-line with the shoulder. for the recoil to be inline with the shoulder, the stocks have straight combs that is "drop at heel" = "drop at comb", also called straight comb stocks, incase the comb is raised, they are called montecarlo (usually for rifle stocks for scope mounting and stuff). on such stocks, you can spot/cheek weld anywhere during mount and achieve the same sight picture. but the problem with montecarlo stocks is that it has to be custom fitted as u cannot move ur face up and down the stock to alter the sight picture incase the stock doesnt fit properly.

Recoil has nothing to do with the type of grip. to learn about two major grip types in shotgun kindly read this:

http://www.pakguns.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=44587#p44587

Regards

Ahmad
26-07-2009, 05:02 PM
Thanks a lot sir

Silent killerr
26-07-2009, 07:47 PM
good info.

Ka_Khan
26-07-2009, 09:15 PM
TAREEN lala and 12 guage.... very nicely explained.Good Work.

Shariq
27-07-2009, 10:54 PM
Nice work.

Wajahat
27-07-2009, 11:01 PM
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Shariq
27-07-2009, 11:05 PM
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Wajahat
27-07-2009, 11:06 PM
Sqnldr_Shariq where do you practise though in karachi?

Shariq
27-07-2009, 11:34 PM
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