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Verve
25-07-2013, 06:41 PM
Salam All

I am kinda stuck between what to get in a 1911 .... old or new?

Barely used and older than the ones listed below:
- COLT 1911, with factory engraving on it with even COLTS written in Italics (it is a beautiful gun) (120K asking)

New:
- Taurus PT1911 (100K++)
- Norinco 1911A1 (difficult to find)
- Sarsilmaz K2 (cheapest of the lot)
- Others?

Non 1911 .45ACPs:
- Taurus PT145 (difficult to find, 55K)
- Taurus PT845 (90K)
- Others?

Thanks

BR/Verve

shahroze
25-07-2013, 06:45 PM
in non 1911 do consider the taurus 945 its good and should fall in 85k

Dr Zakir
25-07-2013, 07:45 PM
Do u want a. 45 in any form or a. 45. In 1911.
.45 in non1911 frame are cz97.glock 21 , sig. P220 and HK usp.
In 1911 again there are many varieties from old colts to Taurus, zigana norinco , Dan Wesson.

Enigmatic Desires
26-07-2013, 11:40 AM
Salam All

I am kinda stuck between what to get in a 1911 .... old or new?

Barely used and older than the ones listed below:
- COLT 1911, with factory engraving on it with even COLTS written in Italics (it is a beautiful gun) (120K asking)

New:
- Taurus PT1911 (100K++)
- Norinco 1911A1 (difficult to find)
- Sarsilmaz K2 (cheapest of the lot)
- Others?

Non 1911 .45ACPs:
- Taurus PT145 (difficult to find, 55K)
- Taurus PT845 (90K)
- Others?

Thanks

BR/Verve

PT 145 is pretty common in karachi. i have also seen the Taurus 24/7 in .45 as well. Around 50k or so slightly used.

Then there is my favourite 1911. The NP 44!

The only 1911 that has a capacity of 14 rounds! and is freaking huge! And heavy! I have seen a lot of those floating around. around 45 to 55k both slightly used and NIB

shahroze
26-07-2013, 03:22 PM
Sir what do you say about the pt945 ?

raff
26-07-2013, 03:40 PM
Verve bro it all come's down to your requirement and/or taste in guns... If u want something for CC than the PT145 is a great option but if you something big and intimidating than a 1911 type considering what amount you are ready dish out...

Moeen
26-07-2013, 04:20 PM
Salam All,
Here is what I am recommending. Either buy a stock Colt or variant of WWII era OR go and buy the Taurus pt1911. Live happily there after.

asif mughal
28-07-2013, 02:40 PM
PT 145 is pretty common in karachi. i have also seen the Taurus 24/7 in .45 as well. Around 50k or so slightly used.

Then there is my favourite 1911. The NP 44!

The only 1911 that has a capacity of 14 rounds! and is freaking huge! And heavy! I have seen a lot of those floating around. around 45 to 55k both slightly used and NIB

salam ED brother , is np44 available in ss finish at lucky star - regards.

Verve
29-07-2013, 05:15 AM
Thank you all for your feedback.

NP44 is what my mind is setting on but 4 dealers I know don't have it and 1 is quoting a very high price. Would prefer to buy NIB and . Anyone in Pindi has one? Lahore trip is only possible after Eid now.

ED bro, you are in Karachi so it may be easily available there and cheaper too. And nowadays, dealers can only buy from another dealer within the same district. Causes problems otherwise I could have my trusted dealer order one from Karachi. It's going on Punjab licence so not possible to purchase direct from Karachi. Any other way?

asif mughal
29-07-2013, 12:01 PM
Thank you all for your feedback.

NP44 is what my mind is setting on but 4 dealers I know don't have it and 1 is quoting a very high price. Would prefer to buy NIB and . Anyone in Pindi has one? Lahore trip is only possible after Eid now.

ED bro, you are in Karachi so it may be easily available there and cheaper too. And nowadays, dealers can only buy from another dealer within the same district. Causes problems otherwise I could have my trusted dealer order one from Karachi. It's going on Punjab licence so not possible to purchase direct from Karachi. Any other way?

brother which dealer is quoting high price and how much asking, is that piece is in black tone or ss. Regards.

TRX
30-07-2013, 02:00 AM
When you buy a 1911 or close copy you're buying over 100 years of manufacturing and gunsmithing experience, a huge aftermarket for replacement or custom parts, and many books and internet forums dedicated to the 1911.

When you buy a non-1911, you trade most of that away in exchange for a more "modern" design which may have additional features that you want - double action trigger, decocking lever, larger magazine capacity, quick caliber change, etc.

I own a couple of 1911s and a Hungarian FEG .45. The FEG is a hybrid of the Browning High Power and the Smith & Wesson Model 59; it is a fine gun and well-made, but even before FEG went out of business, repair parts were not available. The FEG has a double action trigger and a decocker, neither feature of any great interest to me, though very important to some people.

Verve
02-08-2013, 03:49 AM
Thanks TRX bro. Norinco 1911A1 / NP44 is what I'm searching for but no luck so far ...

Verve
02-08-2013, 03:53 AM
Asif Mughal bhai, do you know any dealers in Karachi selling NIB NP44 who would be willing to deliver to another dealer in Pindi or ISB?

Enigmatic Desires
06-08-2013, 05:10 PM
The NP 44 is available on in black as far as i know. her in Karachi most dealers who have it cant wait to get rid of it. people buy it cause it looks like really macho. But then the novelty wears off.

Dr Zakir
06-08-2013, 05:38 PM
Pt 1911 is real good if u are going for nib . Dan wesson is expensive and hard to finf

asif mughal
06-08-2013, 11:07 PM
Asif Mughal bhai, do you know any dealers in Karachi selling NIB NP44 who would be willing to deliver to another dealer in Pindi or ISB?

Verve brother ED brother have replied for your dealer query, i purchased my piece from Nawabshah so i cant help in locating dealer , although i purchased one spare mag from Gun n Accessories , as ED bro said hahaha ;) every dealer is trying to get rid of NP44 if available in their stock its true very well said same was in my case. but after putting 650 round from it i can claim that its something really fantastic to keep, and still novetly is going on bro. Regards.

Enigmatic Desires
12-08-2013, 12:58 PM
I most definetely want one in my collection.
I would feel incomplete without it.

When i hefted it at arms length my hand was trembling slightly due to teh waight!

Fudgepacker
12-08-2013, 01:23 PM
I've never met a 1911 I didn't like. Parts can always be changed, slides can be tightened, magazines replaced, and finishes can be reapplied. But as long as its a 1911, regardless of how much or how little you spend, at the very least you'll have the basis for a great gun.

Verve
12-02-2014, 01:55 AM
Salam All,
Here is what I am recommending. Either buy a stock Colt or variant of WWII era OR go and buy the Taurus pt1911. Live happily there after.

Moeen bhai, your recommendation excercised :) :) TY!

hmd
12-02-2014, 03:32 PM
Taurus 1911 is the best budget option out their any where around the world not just in Pakistan .
@verve you have made a good decision bro .

Fudgepacker
13-02-2014, 04:26 AM
Taurus 1911 is the best budget option out their any where around the world not just in Pakistan .
?!?!
I respectfully disagree. In my experience, Norincos of all shapes and sizes would take that title. They mat not be the prettiest, but their metallurgy is always superior (forged and cast parts) compared to competition in the same price range, and sometimes even surpasses that of premium brands costing much more. A PT1911 may be shinier when nib, but aside from the frame, slide and barrel, just about every other part on the gun is made by MIM. That may not bother some people, but to many others including myself, it's not something I'd pay a premium for, just because the gun looks nicer, and it's definitely not something I'd trust to go to war with. Anyways, just my $0.02 :)
Funny thing, I have a friend who decided to get a particular "cheap" 1911. Knowing it had a fair number of MIM parts in it, he thought he would just replace those parts. A good 1911 is not only about how well it's parts are made, but even more so it's how well those parts are fitted, so replacing certain parts necessitated changing other parts. Anyways, he ended up spending as much on parts and
labour as he did on the gun itsel :lol:

Tank
13-02-2014, 10:58 AM
Please correct me if im wrong.. the 1911 is THAT pistol design which was introduced and adopted by the US army chambered in .45 cal way back. since the thread is about Old vs new 1911 platforms, does that imply that all pistols chambered in .45 as 1911?????

Also I have often talked to guys who refer to 1911 pistols chambered in other calibers as NON-1911... of course from a purist/orthodox person's viewpoint a true 1911 should only be chambered in only .45 acp.. I am asking because abroad quite a lot of manufacturers offer the 1911 in 9mm (one of our favorite calibers) but would that make it non-1911????

Personally If I find a single stack, government model wali size 1911 in 9mm.. id buy it foran (considering the price of course). For instance I found the Norinco's NP29 of the web... that is a pistol id love to keep.

What do you guys think?

hmd
13-02-2014, 06:07 PM
?!?!
I respectfully disagree. In my experience, Norincos of all shapes and sizes would take that title. They mat not be the prettiest, but their metallurgy is always superior (forged and cast parts) compared to competition in the same price range, and sometimes even surpasses that of premium brands costing much more. A PT1911 may be shinier when nib, but aside from the frame, slide and barrel, just about every other part on the gun is made by MIM. That may not bother some people, but to many others including myself, it's not something I'd pay a premium for, just because the gun looks nicer, and it's definitely not something I'd trust to go to war with. Anyways, just my $0.02 :)
Funny thing, I have a friend who decided to get a particular "cheap" 1911. Knowing it had a fair number of MIM parts in it, he thought he would just replace those parts. A good 1911 is not only about how well it's parts are made, but even more so it's how well those parts are fitted, so replacing certain parts necessitated changing other parts. Anyways, he ended up spending as much on parts and
labour as he did on the gun itsel :lol:
Bro you have all the right to disagree . I have kept both 1911 and personally in my openion I find PT1911 better then Norinco 1911 . Like I said it is just my openion yours may differ :smile:

Verve
14-02-2014, 06:12 PM
In Philippines, members on another pakistani gun forum, use Norinco 1911 as the base to modify the guns and they have some awesome gunsmiths producing works of art. Norinco 1911 are plentiful in Philippines and they have relaxed parts import restrictions. and Fudgepacker is right that metallurgy wise the Norinco metal used in 1911 especially is the highest quality and no other handgun manufacturer anywhere uses that metal.

Verve
14-02-2014, 06:13 PM
Taurus 1911 is the best budget option out their any where around the world not just in Pakistan .
@verve you have made a good decision bro .

Thank you bro, much appreciated.

dodo23
15-02-2014, 08:02 AM
I have a Norinco 1911, they are said to be made out of railroad steel, I am in the process of sloooooooowly upgrading mine for a better fit and maybe finish. It comes pretty sloppy from the factory with rough edges and poor overall finish, but all that can be fixed. People have made raceguns based on Norc frames, that says a lot about them in my opinion.
In Philippines, members on another pakistani gun forum, use Norinco 1911 as the base to modify the guns and they have some awesome gunsmiths producing works of art. Norinco 1911 are plentiful in Philippines and they have relaxed parts import restrictions. and Fudgepacker is right that metallurgy wise the Norinco metal used in 1911 especially is the highest quality and no other handgun manufacturer anywhere uses that metal.

makarov9x18
15-02-2014, 03:55 PM
aoa what the latest price of a nib taurus 1911 at present

J.Durrani
16-02-2014, 03:30 PM
Dear seniors,

I'm in a dilemma about old m1911a1 (Remington Rand) in pristine condition which is selling for Rs.70k and TISAS 1911. In this regard I need your suggestions buying one of them.

J.Durrani
21-02-2014, 11:43 PM
Taurus PT-1911, n.i.b. was selling in Quetta, asking price: 110k. But if you are interested in 1911, then why don't you chk, Turkish TISAS 1911 which is more attractive than the former one.